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Posted by: msaleem 2 years, 1 month agoScores of American troops are deserting — even from the front line in Iraq. But where have they gone? And why isn’t the US Army after them? Peter Laufer tracked down four of the deserters
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PoliticallyIncorrect
Aug. 28, 2006, 10:16 a.m.Can you blame them? Gettin their heads chopped off for no apparant reason.
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PINTO
Aug. 28, 2006, 10:29 a.m.Ive been an avid critic of this war and the administration. Ive even protested it. Youll never ever see me support any part of this war.... BUT it is a lowely cowardly act to desert your post and neglect your duties. Dishonorable doesnt describe it.
If you signed up for service, you should have been signing up to do your duty. Not for the money or some other stupid reason. Id rather die with honor than live with shame.
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saneman
Aug. 28, 2006, 11:03 a.m.Hey Nemo - maybe you should get an education and then, just maybe, you will be understood.
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birdog
Aug. 28, 2006, 11:17 a.m."These conscientious objectors are a brave group"
What a joke it's fear not courage that makes these clowns run
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uncleT
Aug. 28, 2006, 11:19 a.m.Just wait to the grad (puke) shows up.
My son who has been there and back has told me some of his experiences. We don't need to be there period.
During my Vietnam tour I saw many things that would be horror here and the very corruptness of the people we were supporting disheartens me even today.
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birdog
Aug. 28, 2006, 11:24 a.m.coolhand: "have you ever served in war time"
whats your point? are you suggesting that those who served in war are more likly to desert or are more likly to understand,you would be wrong either way.
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birdog
Aug. 28, 2006, 11:44 a.m.uncleT
I spent my first six mos. in Viet Nam in the infantry and the last seven in a Marin Corps C.A.P. unit living in a village with the people.I can tell you, to be with the people every day gives one a completely differant perspective than being in the grunts.They were really great people who like everyone else just wanted to be left alone(and out of politcs) to raise there families.I am sure from your perspective they were a lot differant.My son also had a differant take on Irac than yours.It doesn't mean ones right and ones wrong only that each of us on the ground only sees a small part of the picture not the whole picture. Thanks for your and your sons service.
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uncleT
Aug. 28, 2006, 11:57 a.m.birdog: Thanks for the comment. I met some nice people in Vietnam, but also some not so nice. The Arvins were underpaid and resorted to being drug dealers and pimps selling girl's as young as eight or nine in back alleys.
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zman
Aug. 28, 2006, 11:59 a.m.We have no business being in Iraq in the first place and when our Leaders tell the world that things are good when (as a soldier) you know it is in Chaos, how can you put your life on the line for liars who have no clue. Respect has to be earned. There is no plan other than keeping-on.........since that plan has failed miserably, why risk your life for a crazed war monger without any brains or honor.
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Silverghost
Aug. 28, 2006, 12:06 p.m.With the pantywaist attitudes that I view on these sights, I am surprised that more haven't deserted than in peacetime.
The vast majority of our troops support the efforts in Afghanistan & Iraq, and are not involved with the evil works the were dug up by the liberal British reporter. There's bad in every group, but when you spin your article to be anti-Bush, those Brits are unworthy of the large sacrifice we made in WW2 to save their hides. -Rev. S
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coolhand
Aug. 28, 2006, 12:13 p.m.birdog
i was just curious, by their comment. If the person actually served and saw the horror they see,it might make them see that some people are not as strong as they thought they were when they signed up. The ones that run before hand have no excuse.
But unless they were there and see it all first hand there is no way to know how yourself or anyone else would handle the situation.
you have been there and know it is not something that everyone can handle.
I was in Bosnia. We were out setting up a recon post. This local came to us to get us to help bury her husband. We went to where he was buried. We ended up digging up 30 bodies. Our first week in country. The younger ones in our platoon could only say this wasn't what they signed up for, but they stuck, a couple went on sick detail alot.
All i say is different ppl act differently. After being there i think i understand better why they do it.
Still not right
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joey-evans
Aug. 28, 2006, 12:16 p.m.Thank you once again, Mr. Bush!!
We are all so very proud of the job you are doing Mr. Bush. Both you and Mr. Cheney are very brave!!
JOEY EVANS
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Poulenc
Aug. 28, 2006, 12:19 p.m.Is it cowardice to choose desertion when the negative consequences of doing so can be so great? Is it cowardice to turn one's back on one's duty knowing one has done so? Is it cowardice to take a position in direct opposition to the prevailing "wisdom" of those in charge and at your side?
Is it cowardice to save one's moral skin?
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Silverghost
Aug. 28, 2006, 12:20 p.m.Uncle T & Birdog:
I appreciate both your comments, having predated Viet Nam by 3 days. I Don't know how I would have reacted under Uncle T's experience, but I've found good & bad wherever I went in the world, including our great land. I'm sure there is the same with various percentages all over. It seems that many Arabs are trapped by their culture & religion. -Rev. S
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web_1
Aug. 28, 2006, 12:31 p.m.NemoShiZniT:
I guess you support that lying sack Of S**t at 1700 Pennsylvania Ave & his A**hole cabinet that declard this
A**hole war?? Bush has told so many lies he can't keep them straight.
Maybe you should put on a uniform and go over there and get yuor B**ls cut off for us. I'd like to see that on TV and then watch as they shove them where the sun don't shine?
We should Impeach the B**tard and send him over there with a sign around his neck.
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Silverghost
Aug. 28, 2006, 12:33 p.m.Poulenc:
Every serviceman has the right to refuse orders that are obviously immoral. They may have to go before a military court, but then the issue will be out in the front. Where is the courage of these individuals to blow the whistle, instead of allowing it to perpetuate? Then the evil of that unit will continue to harm the innocent. To cut & run for your own purposes, ignoring others welfare is cowardice. -Rev. S
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Silverghost
Aug. 28, 2006, 12:34 p.m.Poulenc:
Every serviceman has the right to refuse orders that are obviously immoral. They may have to go before a military court, but then the issue will be out in the front. Where is the courage of these individuals to blow the whistle, instead of allowing it to perpetuate? Then the evil of that unit will continue to harm the innocent. To cut & run for your own purposes, ignoring others welfare is cowardice. -Rev. S
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not2needy
Aug. 28, 2006, 12:35 p.m.(Many of the deserters are not pacifists, against war per se, but they view the Iraq war as wrong.) THERE YOU GO, even the troops are against this war, this many people can't be wrong, 40,000 deserters, can't get a closer source than that.
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mr-breaker
Aug. 28, 2006, 12:43 p.m.As usual, these are problems that the poor and unfortunate will face. Everyone loves Bush and the government but at the end of the day how many members of the house or congress are actually serving in the armed forces. Let's face it you wont see bush's daughters fighting for daddy or the poor or the 9 to 5 working smucks that read the paper. I say if you gotta desert do it. Personally I am from NYC and if I fight it will be because space monsters came down and tried to take over. I am not fighting for the rich, fat, politicians of this country.
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web_1
Aug. 28, 2006, 1:01 p.m.Since Bush sold Bombs to the Isreal to use on the Lebonese. he didn't really care who they dropped them on. I guess his excuse for invading Lebanon is they now have our Bomb technology
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Poulenc
Aug. 28, 2006, 1:05 p.m.Silverghost, I take your point. But doesn't refusal to perform one's duties, via either the mechanism you describe or by quitting the scene, effectively amount to the same thing? That is, the dissenter will no longer be in a position to serve and thus, by your reasoning, will have abandoned (or "abandoned") his or her fellow soldiers.
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saneman
Aug. 28, 2006, 1:09 p.m.datruef - come again, when did the U.S. go into Iraq? Where were you during the Persian Gulf War? Also, who controlled the no-fly zones in the north and south Iraq?
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