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Posted by: msaleem 2 years, 1 month agoAnother terrorist assault on our homeland is inevitable: We know this is true because we have been told so by Bush and Cheney. And they ought to know. Their foreign policy has enraged the entire Middle East thus turning against America as many as 1.8 billion Muslims. Much of the world considers the USA the biggest threat to world security. When wil
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jen2174
Sept. 8, 2006, 5:45 p.m.(sigh) I will never understand why people seperate the war on terror and invading afhganistan as two different things. They are not, they are the same. We went to war because we if we dont fight back and defend our country than we are idiots. Why does it some like some of you read one half of the story and totally ignore everything else? That doesnt make you look smart at all. The person who wrote this article must have been asleep during 911.
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ghostrider33
Sept. 8, 2006, 11:43 p.m.I don't believe they seperate the war on terror with the invasion of Afhganistan, just the invasion of Iraq.
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Dave59
Sept. 8, 2006, 11:53 p.m.The attack in Afghanistan was warranted. The one we should have avoided was Iraq. It has cost us the respect of the world. There was no reason to invade Iraq. Now we are stuck in a conflict we can't extricate ourselves from. And it detracts from the real objective of fighting the terror threat we really need to adress.
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chocodile
Sept. 9, 2006, 12:52 a.m.I believe the reason we have articles like this is because liberal Americans are fundamentally lazy and all too forgiving. It's the same reason they support rapist and murderer's rights over those of the victims. They forget the agony and suffering the criminals inflict, then start to feel sorry for the perpetrators and actually BLAME THEMSELVES - "it's society's fault for not giving the poor soul a better life." Why do I have to keep reading that Bush has single-handedly turned the Muslim extremists against us? WAKE UP! They have been taking us hostage, bombing us and killing us since before Carter was in office. Liberals - you need to look past the tip of your nose.
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chocodile
Sept. 9, 2006, 1:04 a.m.Actually, I'm not even sure this nit-wit is an American. He is currently living in the Caymens, where he can toss pebbles at the country that gave him that right, and sleep at night and keep trying to convince himself he has it all figured out. After all, it's much easier to cast stones from a distance than participate in the process, right?
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ghostrider33
Sept. 9, 2006, 1:35 a.m.The liberals didn't have a problem with going into Afghanistan and taking care of business there (which remains unfinished...) They have a problem with fighting a needless war in Iraq. They would also like to see Bin Laden brought to justice, but he doesn't seem to be on this administrations radar until it's an election year... And just like clockwork, there's the new (old) tape of Osama. Amazing timing, don't you think?
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CatholicRedneck
Sept. 9, 2006, 1:40 a.m.Chocodile mentioned something about participating in the process. If only that were possible! It's not voting that counts, it's who counts the votes. We're all supposed to trust the government to certify that all votes were accurately counted and tabulated. We need outside observers to oversee the process to ensure clean elections.
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CodeNameHawk
Sept. 9, 2006, 3:10 a.m.You Americans had better be more concerned about the Mexikins taking over this country than the ones from the Middle East. Not only will it destroy itself with all the dope, rapes, murders, but this country will become just like Mexiko --- where nothing resides there but poverty. Cause they are sucking the very blood out of this country and feel they DESERVE it.
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jordan11
Sept. 9, 2006, 3:26 a.m.Chocodile: Liberals - you need to look past the tip of your nose.>>>>
And YOU need to pay attention. 'Liberals' are fully aware of the need to fight terrorism. They understand the need to secure our infrastructure (WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DONE), they understand the need to visit the tensions in the middle east (WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DONE), they understand the need to get a handle on Pakistan and Afghanastan (WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DONE), they understand the need to work with our allies and KEEP our allies (WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DONE), they understand the need to diffuse explosive situations (WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DONE), they understand that being 'tough' is useless if not paired with intelligence and common sense (WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DONE). Now stop being so silly. Bush has screwed this up so badly, it will take YEARS to dig out of his mess!
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Star_Poet
Sept. 9, 2006, 5:33 a.m.Trite piece of diatribe.
"America: Millions of illegal immigrants can't be wrong."
--- Richard Jeni
If we're as hated as Tom Chartier claims, why are illegal immigrants falling over themselves and risking their lives to get here? And, to mention the legal immigrants... they're just a bit more patient than the rest. There is a big line to get to the here.
Sheesh!
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Star_Poet
Sept. 9, 2006, 5:41 a.m.chocodile,
"WAKE UP! They have been taking us hostage, bombing us and killing us since before Carter was in office. Liberals - you need to look past the tip of your nose."
Yep. Since a little bit before Carter.
;)
See:
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Gangrene
Sept. 9, 2006, 5:42 a.m.I tend to agree that our nation's defense is (or should be) first and foremost on the list of Government priorities.
But in looking at current events I'm seeing less defense of our own backyard.
The war in Iraq, problems in Iran, North Korea, and Israel. We're spread so thin around the globe Osama could float over in a hot air balloon with a pellet gun and devestate the U.S. yet again.
It's always been my thinking that the only reason for the war in Iraq is because Saddam made Bush Sr. look like an idiot. Personally I'm more worried about Osama than Saddam, yet the President seems to have given up on ever finding Osama.
A friend once told me that any government can only go a few hundred years before a revolution becomes necessary. Has the U.S. reached this point?
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Star_Poet
Sept. 9, 2006, 6:09 a.m.Gangrene,
Let us hope the revolution, if it comes, is one of gentle thoughts and words, and not violent.
A nation's defense is primary. Under the Libertarian party, it is foremost.
LOL @ Bin Laden in a hot air balloon. My dog would tear off his face if he landed in our backyard. My dog hates people who wear hats for some reason.
I'm as confused about Iraq as you seem to be. It would have made more sense to invade Saudi Arabia (where the bulk of the 911 terrorists came from), or to have invaded Iran because of their "proven" terror-exports. Heck, Iraq and Saddam would have even allied with us on that one. Remember their 8-year war? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War
When Iraq invaded Kuwait, I imagine that all they were really trying to do is gather more resources for their next strike at Iran.
They may have succeeded had we not intervened at that time.
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dlsawyer
Sept. 9, 2006, 6:21 a.m.The Liberals have not changed much in 40 years.
They are still anti-Vietnam. But this time just substitute the word Iraq. Deja-vu.
The fact of the matter is the liberals blew Vietnam. They got us involved in. Then they dicked around half heartedly for waaay to loooong.
Johnson actually tried to fight a war by matching his opponents move for move. This is the sure mark of a fool.
Johnson also said nonsensical things and totally screwed up the expectations of the American people to this day. "it is a priority to de-escalate the conflict" and "we should not be too promiscuous with the use of force".
In a fight you have to go all in. You have to use every responsible asset. You have to make the enemy know that the outcome is not in doubt.
We blew it in Vietnam by going in peacemeal, dicking around for a long time, and then cutting and running with no long term plan.
The liberals would do it all the same way again. Deja-vu.
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Star_Poet
Sept. 9, 2006, 6:34 a.m.dlsawyer,
Well said. "p u s s i e s" do not win wars.
Wimps do not win wars.
Wussies do not win wars.
Limp-wrists do not win wars.
Cowards do not win wars.
[I'm trying for a combination of words and terms that will not be edited or censored by Big Brother]
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Star_Poet
Sept. 9, 2006, 7:01 a.m.worker,
"THIS IS THE CURRENT SLOGAN drooling out of the mouths of the tree hugging dems/libs its not having the items its whats"
Hey now!!!
I hug trees, yet I'm neither a Dem, nor a Lib, nor a Reb, nor a neocon, nor a...
Don't label me.
;)
Tom Chartier playing in a punk rock band does not make him an expert on anything but punk rock, if that.
;)
[Never heard of the Rotters... they couldn't have been that great.]
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dlsawyer
Sept. 9, 2006, 7:13 a.m.The author of the article is an idiot. The entire thing is not an article- more like a lyric to a punk song.
For one thing 'neocons' are not in control of anything.
Nor do they mix with real conservatives. They keep to themselves and are frankly snobbishly stiff and unfriendly. My wife was marketing director at AEI for 5 years and I never spoke with any of them at AEI once at any social function. Not ever. And there were many functions were a lot of conservatives loosened up and had fun...
These guys are big city Trotskyites that abandoned socialism/communism after Trotsky was assasinated.
These guys aren't even in the Bush administration. AEI is a think tank. There are only a few left in DC and most are at AEI.
They do not amount to much. Never did. A handful of intense intellectuals that mostly write books and go to symposiums these days.
Neocon is just a buzzword that liberal idiots like this have latched onto for effect since the 1980s. Moronic.
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dlsawyer
Sept. 9, 2006, 7:45 a.m.For another thing the article is a long diatribe of outrageous accusation and prediction of most disatrous outcome. In fact, all the outcomes are predicted to be the worst case of the worst case. The sky will fall?
Franky Republicans do not have that kind of track record in government. Republican have a long history of respect for the law and constitution and civil rights.
The Republican track record in terms of performance of leaders in office is pretty amazing.
Liberals have long track record of outrageous accusations about Republicans that in the fullness of time are shown to have never been true at all.
As for the performance of Democratic leaders? Carter? Ha! Clinton the Impeached? Ha! Dick Gephardt? Ha! John Kerry? Ha! Al Gore? Ha! Not a very inspiring bunch. They do not stick with any plan for very long. The country goes nowhere when there is a Dem in office.
When I think Democrat I visualize in my mind- a giant pair of--- DIRTY FLIP-FLOPS.
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endtyranny
Sept. 9, 2006, 9:58 a.m.This article makes a few good points, but it goes too far. I can't lump the Bush Administration with the Nazis whether or not I disagree with their performance and politics.
dlsawyer,
No offence but what about Nixon, Reagan, both Bushes, Bill Frist, Tom DeLay, Newt Gingrich? Amazingly awful.
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NSWritie
Sept. 9, 2006, 11 a.m.Can I use reverse logic for a moment? There is talk about how Bush turned 1.8 billion Muslims against America. It's a totally unverifiable figure, of course. But there's another figure that has never been mentioned: the millions of Americans that Bush has turned against Muslims.
Potty? Not as much as it seems. 9/11 was apparently an attack by one radical Islamic group (although 5 years later, only one slightly delusional fall guy has been tried). Yet since then large numbers of Americans feel threatened by Muslims in general. That's quite a jump. Just check any political messageboard for all the ultra-voilent comments about Muslims and Islam.
Bush is not a leader, he is a divider. He divided his own country, divided allies of long-standing, tried to divide Europe and tried to divide the world into two groups: Christians and Muslims.
Vote for a leader next time please.
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mcgrievysr
Sept. 9, 2006, 12:01 p.m.NSWritie--whew! Thank you. Well said. Now, prepare to take cover as the shrill radicals start calling you names instead of refuting your clear logic.
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ClashWho
Sept. 9, 2006, 12:51 p.m.Since when are articles written by tin-foil hat wearers and kool-aid drinkers news?
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ClashWho
Sept. 9, 2006, 1:04 p.m.NSWritie wrote: "9/11 was apparently an attack by one radical Islamic group (although 5 years later, only one slightly delusional fall guy has been tried). Yet since then large numbers of Americans feel threatened by Muslims in general. That's quite a jump."
Perhaps you missed the dancing in the streets in segments of the muslim world after 9/11. Perhaps you've missed the stories on what's being taught in Saudi Arabian schools. Perhaps you missed the murderous riots in the muslim world over cartoons published in European newspapers. Perhaps you've missed the statements of Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran's own president. Perhaps it's not quite as much of a jump as you're making it out to be.
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snowman36r
Sept. 9, 2006, 1:12 p.m.K read the story and the comments, here's my oppinion. Remember the twin towers and how everyone felt when they went down. ( I do, I woke up and watched as the last one fell) I'll wager that the over whelming MAJORITY of the U.S. wanted to see a country glowing by the end of the night. And as for Iraq, This war has been comming for years. The Iraq goverment pushed it to the edge as they have been for 20 years, personaly I dont aggree with the way we went in (and I don't believe we should of) but it was comming would of happened within 10 years.If you want to see a change in the way things are done it's simple and don't say it's not, Vote spend your energy convinsing people to vote instead of writing garbage like this. Dont Blame who's in goverment and say they controll it all when in this country believe it or not you have the say on who's elected and what they do once there elected. In a country of well over 200 million under half of them vote in elections that shape there lives.
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FrankieT
Sept. 9, 2006, 1:37 p.m.A lot of interesting posts. Snowman36r, yours probably is the most pertinent. Ed, like the way you address each issue as an individual, not as a 'party' thinker, ie. dlsawyer, etc.
mc and Nswritie; excellent points.
I notice lots of people on the right/far right use insults in place of logical responses. What does that sya about you?
And dlsawyer - You write well on things you select to write about. I don't believe you have answered most of my questions to you on most of the posts. Why? Are my questions too st**id? Or too tough?
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