We can talk, spend money, get involved with campaigns, spend all your time involved for a cause, pour you heart out into an election, and then go vote and none of that will matter at all if we don't have fair elections.

I think the paperless evoting machines are a threat to our democracy and they should be done away with. The recent bill passed by the Republicans for showing IDs at polls is a smokescreen for the real voting fraud issues.

It's amazing, until Dubya got involved in national politics exit polls had a high degree of accuracy. Now they can't be trusted. The thing that can't be trusted is the Bush Aristocracy. What do you expect from a family that had dealings with thw Nazi Party during WWII.

HYPOCRITS!

Saying they are trying to create a democracy in Iraq all the while they are taking our rights away from us.

Where will it end, in a world war? I don't think we could have a civil war here, we have too much vested world wide, which would cause it to result in a world war.

When that happens, it will be here.

That is what Bush and Company has brought us to, it was the plan all along, then they will go underground, like Cheney did during the 9/11 bombings.

That bunch will end up in underground bunkers like Saddam did.

Jaxguy: The recent bill passed by the Republicans for showing IDs at polls is a smokescreen for the real voting fraud issues.>>>>>

They certainly haven't been addressed, and I do find it odd that Georgia was so gung ho about an ID law late in the game, when voter fraud has not been shown to be a problem there, according to testimony by the Georgia Secretary of State.

McGrieve, I think you raised a very valid question on Luvmyprez... who you can rely on to support Bush, regardless!

Intimidation by this administration has worked to stop the truth from coming out. Remember the Head of the US Civil Rights Commision was fired by Bush after she held hearings in Florida after the 2000 election and published a preliminary report on voter fraud by the Bushies! Bush at least can't call this guy a whistleblower because of his use of mathematics!

Truthseeker, did you ever think our Congress would pass a law saying you can't negotiate for lower prices... or that you can't sue a delinquent manufacturer... like this Repug led Congress has done! Its UN-AMERICAN! But, Remember that after Abu Ghraib, Dubya said that that was not the America that he knows! ... an America that backs out of international environmental protocals, International conventions of war, the international criminal courts, the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, and bad mouths the UN without bothering to even send a representative to the 32 meetings Kofi held to bring about positive change (Bolton, what a blowhard!).

I can see that the Democrats are covering their bases now so they have an excuse for losing a "sure-fire" election.

I like Angry Girl. Go there and check out "20 amazing facts about voting in the USA"

http://nightweed.com/angrygirl.html

You aren't missing anything Joe Schmo.

Does George W. Bush own stocks in DIEBOLD? Does any of the other candidates or Party related own stock in said company? The old way of voting but surely the most honest way, is to write down the name of person you are voting for. Yes, it would take a very long time, to read and to count up. At least it is honest. Some times this Country needs to take the time to do things right.

not2needy - If you sound crazy, then I'm certifiably insane. ~_^ I've got myself convinced I need to keep some cash outside the bank and invest in a more universal form of currency (*cough* gold *cough*) just in case our country decides to implode upon itself. I agree that it would be a world war. Sadly, I don't think anyone in our country would gather and retaliate unless our quality of life drastically changed. Until we suffer like a 3rd world country, the American public will turn a blind eye and continue to worry about how big an SUV they can buy.

if you believe that there was no voter fraud before the 2000 elections you are naive at best if not dillusional. i would hazzard to say that atleast 75% of all major elections in the history of the US have had some form of voter fraud. it may not have effected the outcome in every event, but in some it has. i have see documentries of the early 20th century where people would load up irish immigrants on the docks right after coming to this country taking them to voting booths to get their candidate elected. voter intimidation, do you think this is a new concept? if has been happening for decades. the only difference between elections now and then is that they have gotten more creative.

i am not condoning voter fraud, i think it is a travisty, but to think it has only been happening for 8 years by only the republican party is even more ridiculous.

Who here is in favor of voter fraud? nobody?

So why does it not sound like we are all in agreement?

Do something about it people.

This is the Republican Congress Speaking and we approve this endorsement! Ha Ha Ha.....

Which has more potential to alter the outcome of an election...

1. Stealing and/or making fake voter registration cards and using these to cast votes with.

2. Manipulating an electronic machine so that it flips the vote 51% to 49% either way you would like it in less than a minute.

If you had to pick one of these issues to counteract voting fraud which would you choose?

Please find Diebold's response to the Princenton's video, along with the rolling stone article.

I don't know who is correct, but in the intrest of being accurate I felt it important. Intresting thing is Eliot refered to the Princeton article in commentary, but failed to go 1 or 2 websights down on a single search to find the responses to these articles, so I will provide them

http://www.diebold.com/dieboldes/pdf/princetonstatement.pdf

http://www.diebold.com/dieboldes/pdf/rollingstone92306.pdf

Joe Andrew, former Democratic chair endorses not only Diebold, but paperless voting as being good for democrats.

Now does he own shares in Diebold? Or is it that a Democrat wouldn't do such a thing to gain a buck?

http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/localnews/ci_2958901

I don't think there is anything wrong with an electronic machine as long as there if a paper trail to account for the votes should a blackout occur, computer crashes, tampering is suspected, vote margin is within a couple percentage points, and other scenarios where a recount would be needed. Simply trusting that these machines are infallible is a fallacy in itself.

What do we stand to benefit from with a paperless electronic voting machine as opposed to one with a paper trail?

The paper trail is a much better way of counting the votes. It seemed to have worked just fine for years past. I agree with you on that Erichkaestner,George W.'s was not a fair election. The Florida vote said it all,My Brother-My Country..No Questions from the public.

No offense but this is old news. Clinton Curtis is on record (sworn in by the court reporter)and testified before the U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Democrats of the Judiciary Committe, on December 13, 2004 that he was asked on Oct.2000 to write a prototype program for Congressman TOM FEENEY to FIX ELECTIONS while he worked in Oviedo, Florida.......now remind me who the Governor is of Florda? JEB BUSH maybe???? "Feeney, a close ally of the religious right and of Florida Governor Jeb Bush, is known as an eccentric lawmaker". (source:Harper's.org) Now why are either of these men still in office is my question. No proof you say...Sue for injuries of a defective product (we were all users of the product)comparative fault maybe or breach of contract,Fraud and misrepresentation, Tapering with Government property,the list goes on...lets see who is left holding the bag...and money trail. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clint_Curtis. AUSTIN,TEXAS

Here is the video of his testimony...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PrwToR2RpEI&mode=related&search=