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Posted by: berkeley 1 year, 10 months agoThe Bush administration has told a federal judge that terrorism suspects held in secret CIA prisons should not be allowed to reveal details of the "alternative interrogation methods" that their captors used to get them to talk.
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deathray
Nov. 4, 2006, 8:07 p.m.Another autoresponse from the SS wannabe...where's that vaunted intellect now?
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Quietlylovely1
Nov. 4, 2006, 2:21 p.m.This is a joke!!! We should publish a book telling all the terrorist just how we will get information out of them if we catch them. That way they can prepare, and know how to overcome any means we have of getting that information. It will be a Relief knowing they are safe, while we watch our babies, children, mother's and dad's, and sweethearts burned alive in building, and blown up air planes or tortured as soldiers(male or female) and killed. At least we can say we were more loving and to hell with our own people!!! Bravo!
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StopTheMadness
Nov. 4, 2006, 8:29 p.m.The Red Cross reports that over 90% of the "terror suspects" we have apprehended have later been released because they were found to be innocent. AFTER their "interrogation"....
How many innocent people would you allow to be tortured before you would re-evaluate the program?
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ind06
Nov. 5, 2006, 12:46 a.m.While we're at it we might want to publish detailed and intricate plans on how to build an explosive nuclear device!
Oh, wait, the administration already did that...
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rplmf
Nov. 4, 2006, 2:44 p.m.I can imagine what this conversation was like.
Bush- "If you tell them we tortured you, WE'LL DO IT AGAIN!"
Prisoner- "..It won't happen... I wont tell."
Bush- "Are you talking back...." (poors cold water on naked man).
....Can we please charge this man as a war criminal yet??... He makes it quite obvious that he uses interrogation methods that are banned by our constitution to get the information that he needs.
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silvera
Nov. 4, 2006, 2:58 p.m.The United States is rapidly becoming what we were supposed to have been afraid of during the Cold War. I honestly feel that BushCo has divided and broken my country and no matter the outcome of this Tuesday's election it will never be the same again. Even with only a 30% approval rating that's one out of three Americans that are enabling the most dishonest, corrupt, inept, dangerous, repressive, regressive. ignorant, government in our history. To those of you who say, "if you don't like it, leave", I've done exactly that. I'm now happily living in Central America and would never return if not for family. (if I am allowed back in)
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Bacalao
Nov. 4, 2006, 5:55 p.m.I once thought of leaving too, but thought it was un-American to do so and leave my beloved country to these pshychophants.
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StopTheMadness
Nov. 4, 2006, 8:33 p.m.I think that 25-30% will NEVER budge with their approval of a republican. They follow the party like some people follow their sports team. If Bush came out during the State of the Union speech and started masturbating on national TV, this 25-30 percent would say "EXCELLENT!!! See, he's human!"
In other words, the approval rating will never drop below 25%. We have a lot of stupid people in this country.
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hamy
Nov. 4, 2006, 5:04 p.m.I am still shocked. They are in prison. It's not like they are calling home. They haven't even been allowed to speak to attornies let alone a compatriot. The administration just doesn't want the American people to find out what they have been doing on our behalf. That is why they can't speak about what happened to them.
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jordan11
Nov. 4, 2006, 8:15 p.m.The administration just doesn't want the American people to find out what they have been doing on our behalf. That is why they can't speak about what happened to them.>>>>>
Correct.
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not2needy
Nov. 4, 2006, 5:28 p.m.No other president in the history of this country has gotten away with what Bush has, i just don't understand it.
Are the people so complacent that they just don't care anymore?
He had dared anyone to contest his authority and everyone acts scared to death of him.
What is wrong with our country?
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ahriman01
Nov. 4, 2006, 5:30 p.m.Lives saved through torture are cheaply bought. And you're right not2needy, no one cares. As long as it's not happening to them, people will either have no opinion on the matter or encourage it. Because to them, the ends always justify the means.
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not2needy
Nov. 4, 2006, 5:43 p.m.I said that same thing in another thread just a few minutes ago, the end justifys the means, and they means to win by hook or by crook,, mostly by crook.
Our youth care nothing about voting, i have had a terrible time getting my son interested in politics and how it affects everyday lives.
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sjoko
Nov. 4, 2006, 5:44 p.m.Terrifying ...... How many of them will they actually let out? ever? Under this regime it seems they are in danger of disappearing.......
This is why we have (had) a good legal system. So we could bring people to court, ascertain their guilt, or innocence, and fair judgment.
This type of behavior is akin to third world dictatorships. How low have we fallen
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entropy
Nov. 4, 2006, 6:14 p.m.What happened to the America I once knew and was proud to be a part of? :(
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Inquisitor
Nov. 4, 2006, 6:18 p.m.What a perverted Catch 22 twist of our legal system!
I no longer believe that the Bush administration can be allowed to continue in office. Both Bush and Cheney should be charged with war crimes and impeached!
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GeneralPatton
Nov. 4, 2006, 6:30 p.m.Entropy that America you were proud of went to war.
I honestly don't see how you people can care! These are Radical Islamic Terroists, they do not want to negotiate, they want you and everyone you love, dead. They don't want mercy from you, they want to see the blood drip out of your veins. Get it through your head already it is either us or them DECIDE IF YOUR LIVES AND THOSE THAT YOU LOVE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THEIRS. I have decided, that I want myself and my family to live. I am not saying that torture is not disgusting, but it depends on who we do it to. I just don't understand how you all think we can win this war, while you fight to handicap America. If our government who has slightly more experience in this then any of us do say that this is how we save American lives, then do it. By all means DO IT!
Notice how there has not been any terroist attacks on America since 9/11? They must be doing something right.
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RCH1
Nov. 4, 2006, 7 p.m."Notice how there has not been any terroist attacks on America since 9/11? They must be doing something right."
I keep having to point this out, but here I go again. It's been five years since 9-11. From the first WTC bombing to 9-11 we went EIGHT years without an Islamic terrorist attack in our country. If Clinton had told you during these eight years that he was keeping us safe would you have believed him?
Also, GeneralPatton. Top military and intelligence people are of the opinion that torture does not provide useful intelligence. The person being tortured will say whatever they think you want to hear just to get you to stop. How will that keep us safe?
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jordan11
Nov. 4, 2006, 8:28 p.m.I honestly don't see how you people can care! These are Radical Islamic Terrorists, they do not want to negotiate, they want you and everyone you love, dead.>>>>>>
Do you know that the vast majority of those tortured in the Iraqi prison were just Iraqi's? Not terrorists, just guys who stole a loaf of bread, or drove down the wrong street. And did you know there was a bounty for 'names' in Afghanastan...& hell, if you hated your neighbor, just give his name and get big bucks. People like you running around putting all your hopes on 'torture' or eavesdropping.....and not a word to say about open borders/ports. Not a word to say about our infrastructure being ignored, and we sit here like sitting ducks, just like we did on 9/11. You're scared, I can tell. I'm scared too, but not of terrorists. I'm scared that my grandchildren will grow up in a frightened, out of control society, where fear causes Americans to throw away more than 200 years of building a society of integrity & decency.
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entropy
Nov. 4, 2006, 6:45 p.m.GP:
Yes, American went to war, but for what? Over blatant lies and distortions. The Iraq war was planned way in advance before 9/11 and all we needed was a pretext in order to act. I refuse to be scared into submission by the government's countless lies of these big bad terrorists that are just dieing to attack the United States! I hate repeating this, but there is NOTHING stopping a big bad "terrorist" from driving a car bomb anywhere he pleases. It's a joke how unguarded our borders and ports are. Everyday car bombs go off in Iraq and we can't do anything about it. What's stopping them from doing the same here? Nothing.
When will people learn that this whole "war on terror" is one big LIE, starting from 9/11, all in order to invade countries that we've been planning on for years. I for one, refuse to be scared quiet and refuse to be manipulated by this lie spewing embarassment we call a government.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=terror storm
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Radiofreeeuropa
Nov. 4, 2006, 9:21 p.m.Well said?
Is he the literary giant of the neocons?
Did you take your medication today?
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kymbolini
Nov. 4, 2006, 7:41 p.m.i was astounded by reading this post .
why not just exterminate them and the problem of illegal torture to these parisites will stay "top Secret"
if the men and or woman were on american soil i am a great beleiver that they deserve all they get but these people were taken from parts of the globe that the united states are not interested in
we have a david hicks locked up without charge in your prison for helping taliban and apparently shooting us soldiers
the facts are : has he killed an american if so who and why
hicks was taken in afganistan .... a war zone that was started by the USA
no wonder the rest of the world thinks that America has lost it';s marbels
i watched a documentary DVD called the September 8 Tapes
the usa had multiple chances of killing or capturing BIN LARDEN but it was represented by taliban and others in afganistan that the usa disd not want him at all
how bizzare
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jordan11
Nov. 4, 2006, 8:11 p.m.What is there to say? If Americans want this kind of a government, they deserve what they get.
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StopTheMadness
Nov. 4, 2006, 8:40 p.m.When Hillary Clinton becomes president in 2008, and these new "secret interrogation and holding" laws are still in effect, we'll see how quickly you change your tune. The repuglicans will be blaming every missing person case on Hillary's "secret police".
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RCH1
Nov. 4, 2006, 8:50 p.m."The bone-numbing naivete of the Far Left on embarassing display..."
Well I guess you told us? I consider myself told! How 'bout all you other liberals?
You just can't argue with it! I guess I'll go register as a Republican tomorrow morning. How does it work when you register as a Republican? Do they give you a pill or something? No wait! I bet it's like one of those nicotine patches! Only this one works to kill of any social conscience or desire for government accountability.
Does it also make me want to screw the poor? Believe in Intelligent Design? What else does it do?
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Radiofreeeuropa
Nov. 4, 2006, 10 p.m.Examine Hitler's rise to power and tell me bushco has not made the exact same overtures monkeyfaker.
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Radiofreeeuropa
Nov. 4, 2006, 10:03 p.m.Here is a link that will help you.
http://politics.netscape.com/story/2006/11/02/american-corporations-and-hitler
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alakazam
Nov. 4, 2006, 8:54 p.m.This is yet another grand example of the despots in power desperately trying to remove oversight and deny accountability.
They want to be able to do whatever they feel like, to whomever they feel like and answer to no one for doing it.
That's Stalinist and un-American alright.
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RCH1
Nov. 4, 2006, 9:09 p.m.Vice President Cheney please stop posting on this thread and go to sleep. You're old and you have a bad heart.
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JenMurdock
Nov. 4, 2006, 9:05 p.m.The government says in new court filings that those interrogation methods are now among the nation's most sensitive national security secrets and that their release -- even to the detainees' own attorneys -- "could reasonably be expected to cause extremely grave damage." Terrorists could use the information to train in counter-interrogation techniques and foil government efforts to elicit information about their methods and plots, according to government documents submitted to U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton on Oct. 26.
THAT is the biggest crock of SH__ I've heard! C'mon, aren't they more creative than that? Can't they come with a better excuse? How stupid do they think the American people are? Apparently they think we iz dum as briks!
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RCH1
Nov. 4, 2006, 9:26 p.m.Dear Vice President Cheney (aka TheEnlightenedOne) - If you were taken to a secret location and tortured for a week or two YOU would admit to being the mastermind of 9-11, to being the second gunman on the grassy knoll, to killing the Lindbergh baby, and to sleeping with Michael Jackson. You would say whatever they wanted to hear to get them to stop. How does this provide good intelligence?
It doesn't.
Here's just one thing you don't understand, among many. Liberals are not trying to lose the war on terror. We are trying to prevent people like YOU from losing the war on terror.
I hate to break this to you, but you're not very bright. Don't feel bad. We can't all be liberals!
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deathray
Nov. 4, 2006, 9:28 p.m.you broke it, so i wonder why you are coming to the adults and asking them to pull your chestnuts out of the fire. You seem to like to denigrate liberals, and then you ask us what we are going to do to solve this problem?
You make me laugh.
I thought the Republicans didn;t need any help. I thought they were the 99 44.100s% pure party, the party of ideas, the party of morality, the party that was going to bring Iraq into the fold when we entered Baghdad, greeted with flowers, like some Roman proconsul's wet dream.
Well, there are solutions, but since you weren't interested in them then, they are none of your business now.
You are about to get frozen out, so get those longjohns on.
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Radiofreeeuropa
Nov. 4, 2006, 9:47 p.m.Unenlightened one,
The Dems will take a more inteligent approach to our security.
The neocon agenda was spelled out years ago.
The "New American Century" subscribers called for a new "Pearl Harbor", and the invasion of countries to set up puppet "democracies" that would be friendly to corporate domination. Then it happened. Get out your coloring book and connect the dots.
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alakazam
Nov. 4, 2006, 9:16 p.m.TheEnlightenedOne-
I for one am no Democrat.
When leaders defy the law and do as they damn well please they cease to be leaders and become tyrants.
And as far as the civil war comment goes- you mean to tell me you would take arms against fellow americans to defend this kind of crap ?
That's probably the saddest thing I have ever heard. You would kill Americans to defend a demagogue.
Pathetic.
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RCH1
Nov. 4, 2006, 9:40 p.m.AND WE HAVE A WINNER!!
The award for sickest person on netscape goes to TheEnlightenedOne!
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walden3
Nov. 4, 2006, 9:17 p.m.enlightenedone-
your argument is flawed.
how do you know that they are terrorists?
have they been charged? tried? convicted?
it could be any one of us.
it's like the disappeared in chile under pinochet. are you satisfied that this once great country is a lot like chile?
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deathray
Nov. 4, 2006, 9:38 p.m.ah yes, the quo for the quid.
LOL, that's right, an eye for an eye.
Behold the evolved man, the Republican giant, who with one sweep of his mighty hand destroys 20 centuries of civilization.
Wow, I could be the carnical barker in your own personal freak show.
You deserve a bit of the "alternative methods of interrogation" yourself.
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