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Posted by: coreyspring 1 year, 9 months agoFormer New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani, a moderate Republican best known for his stewardship of the city after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, has taken the first step in a 2008 presidential bid, GOP officials said Monday.
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ck
Nov. 13, 2006, 6 p.m.One thing that I *don't* like about Guiliani (I did like his actions after 9-11 and most of his anti-crime initiatives) is the way he becomes a bit of a police of everything. He was very anti-the arts for several years there and made several of my artist friends in the city unhappy. I wouldn't want him as President.
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autoracer555
Nov. 13, 2006, 7:33 p.m.Steel can melt and warp under heat. Metals do that sort of thing. People that built the buildings designed them in case something like this happened, they would collapse onto themselves.
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GeneralPatton
Nov. 13, 2006, 7:57 p.m.Ok, Burning. I wish you watched this documentary on the discovery channel about The Science of 9/11. It was very good, and unlike the conspiracy theorists this man actually had funding to be able to conduct his experiments.
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GeneralPatton
Nov. 13, 2006, 8:04 p.m.He was warned, so he sent a member of his group to go tell the police in the following area. Unlike what you may think, there was a LOT of people warned, my aunt who was in the tower was told that about 20-15 minutes (after first tower was struck) she and the other floor managers were told to tell the members that there was a possibility of collapse.
Also, there was NO IMPLOSION DEMOLITION CHARGES in the buildins, first off when prosecuting someone, you must find the MOTIVE. There is NO gain from this. The conspiracy theorists show bits and pieces of the evidence that support their claims, instead of the big picture. That is why there is no Conspiracy TV, and Discovery remains.
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LiberalsSmell
Nov. 15, 2006, midnightHow did you come up with this theory? Did you slip in the bathroom and bang your head on the toilet, like how Doc came up with the Flux Capacitor?
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JustCallMeV
Nov. 14, 2006, 2:06 p.m.I am curious. Why YOU did not bring up Guiliani? If he was an issue to you, it seems you would have brought the subject up? And are these "fact(s)" first hand knowledge or hearsay?
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GeneralPatton
Nov. 13, 2006, 8:06 p.m.I never really Liked artists that much. Modern day artists that is, not to be stereotypical but a lot of them just throw paint on paper and call it art.
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TednGilbertAZ
Nov. 13, 2006, 10:17 p.m.oh, so sad (world's tiniest violin playing 'my heart bleeds for you')... puhleez. c'mon, CK... his funding of the arts and not being nice to artists? That, to me, is irrelevant when choosing a president, sorry. Ok, maybe for a metropolitan mayor of a cultural city like New York or San Francisco, but PRESIDENT? Giuliani is one of the best choices for a presidential candidate we have other than McCain or possibly even Frist or Rice. Edwards is a pretty-boy nothing candidate and Hillary has already been co-president. Obmama, who is underqualified won't be experienced enough until his second term serving as Senator. 2008 is NOT his time... possibly 2012 or definitely 2016 will be unless he makes some bad political moves in the meantime.
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nymus
Nov. 14, 2006, 1:28 p.m.Guilliani did nothing remarkable during the 9/11 disaster. All he did was run around giving his condolences to families and praise police/firemen etc... for the job they did. That's all well and good but that is something that any sane person would do. I don't understand why people are saying this man is a hero. He is alos very hypocritical. He cheated on his wife with another woman and then goes around condemning artists and others for their morals. I don't need another hypocrite in the White House. We might as well let that Ted Haggard run for president.
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jchagan
Nov. 13, 2006, 7:16 p.m.There's no way he wins a Republican primary with his stances on gay marriage and abortion. Heck, the Bush camp ripped John McCain to shreds 8 years ago, and Rudy has even more bigger targets to shoot at.
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Demsaredim
Nov. 13, 2006, 10:37 p.m.Yes many republicans are socially liberal, but many more are not, he will have a terrible time getting the nomination. He could probably win in a general election but you peal off the second amendment crowd and the pro-lifers and the chances of a nomination seems pretty remote.
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dr-don-from-denver
Nov. 14, 2006, 5:50 a.m.I't not a matter of voter support, It's all who gets the $$ for more negative ads!
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jordan11
Nov. 13, 2006, 10:48 p.m.There's no way he wins a Republican primary with his stances on gay marriage and abortion. Heck, the Bush camp ripped John McCain to shreds 8 years ago, and Rudy has even more bigger targets to shoot at.>>>>
As those two issues are how the neocons keep their southern base, you may be right.
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DVS1
Nov. 13, 2006, 7:23 p.m.I wish I knew more about Guiliani. Seeing these comment is going to make me do my research!
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ptath2
Nov. 13, 2006, 7:27 p.m.I am all for him running, I will need to hear more from him on some issues. As far as the Art thing, anti-government funding for art, is not being anti-art.
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AJaye
Nov. 13, 2006, 7:32 p.m.OH MY ..Knew he was gonna run the way he was campaigning for the Republican Senator & Reps..Maybe a good candidate..
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RASSRASS
Nov. 13, 2006, 7:35 p.m.If he wins in 2008 I am moving to Europe - I will not live in a police state; always watching for the gestapo.
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pewter
Nov. 13, 2006, 8:06 p.m.See you back on this sight if he wins, I will get you a ticket to Europe. I bet if he wins, you do not do anything. I heard people like Balwin and his friends say the same thing about Bush and alas, they are still here.
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Youngvoter7
Nov. 13, 2006, 7:46 p.m.I am completely for Giuliani running for president. Why do people keep bringing up 9/11 and blaming every single person that was remotely involved? If people are so mad about the terror attacks than why do they not stand for fighting terrorists? Must I remind people that Giuliani was considered a hero after 9/11 and cracked down hard on crime in NYC? I would certainly vote for him reguardless of political party. RUDY! RUDY! RUDY!
By the way Hillary Clinton is evil and extreemly annoying should she become President it would probably sound the end of civilization
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kaizersozey83
Nov. 13, 2006, 7:56 p.m.Your comments biased to one side make you sound ignorant and invalidate your point...
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jordan11
Nov. 13, 2006, 7:49 p.m.I don't know anything about him substantively. Don't respond to 'image', so will have to wait and see what he's to offer.
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slate
Nov. 13, 2006, 7:50 p.m.No politician can be everything to everyone. I voted for Bush 2 times and I dislike some things he's done, such as his lack of action on the border and the run away spending.
Though Rudy is a moderate, he seems to be more right of Bush in many ways. I like the Idea of him running, the right needs a few fresh Ideas.
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jordan11
Nov. 13, 2006, 10:51 p.m.Though Rudy is a moderate, he seems to be more right of Bush in many ways. I like the Idea of him running, the right needs a few fresh Ideas.>>>>
More 'right', how?
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MacVicta
Nov. 13, 2006, 8:05 p.m.I think Giuliani has a great shot at winning the Democratic nom--oh wait, nevermind.
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earthlingerer
Nov. 13, 2006, 8:32 p.m.After he admiited in public to abusing his wife, I think he probably could "Beat Hillary in 2008"
The far right likes a man who puts wimmin in their place.
I just don't know if he's got enough "moxie", "chutzpah", or, ahem, "staying power" to keep a rigid and erect, uh, campaign going that long. In his case Viagra cannot help.
It's like he's "missing something". More than Dole was.
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turnitupsidedown
Nov. 13, 2006, 10:35 p.m.when he was mayor he made this crazy bylaw that forced clubs/bars to shut the music off at midnight.
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Dsb2k6
Nov. 13, 2006, 8:48 p.m.Isnt he extremely anti-gun? If Im not mistaken he created some of the toughest firearms laws in the country. I find the second amendment to be very important and if he was responsiible for attacks upon it I would be very upset with him as president.
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Twistoflex
Nov. 13, 2006, 9:02 p.m.Il Duce (or rather, Ill Duce) can quench the Repugnant thirst for fascism like few others. They'll overlook his many faults just to embrace their beloved fascist dystopia.
Btw, to BurningFire - it's fairly obvious that Ill Duce had an inside track on what was going down that fateful day. He was very uncomfortable at the 9/11 hearings and departed rather hastily after his canned testimony. Despite 9/11 victims shouting questions in the hearing room (questions that were supplied to the Commission but were never asked, let alone answered), Rudy never had anything to say. It's always the same b.s. with him.
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Sandmn
Nov. 13, 2006, 9:13 p.m.luvmyprez:Unless something major occurs, Guiliani is slated to be the next pres. and as for backing, the AIPAC has already stated that he is their choice to follow Bush. Thus, he will get elected cause AIPAC wants him. That cannot be good for this country. You would think people might remember the speedy clean-up or cover up, of 911, that he performed with the skill of a surgeon. He promptly had all the steel removed and shipped to india and china for melting. How noble of him, to rid us of all that nasty evidence. This guy is worse than Bush because he's not nearly as dumb as Bush is. Christ, I hope Obama runs a good race. All we need to get a democrat elected, is to have a half human candidate, and not many qualify on that scale. That's it. I'm moving to Canada. PS. Some kid called general patton was being pretty harsh toward you on another thread, a minute ago, but I stood up fer ya. My butt.
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tchef
Nov. 13, 2006, 10:11 p.m.I just read the time article about Obama and he seems really impressive. I like the way he makes an effort to reach out to both sides of any issue. We need more of that.
I really don't want to see Hillery, I think the Clintons have done enough damage to the Demacratic party. Besides if she won then the Republicans would call Ken Starr and start wasting money on useless investigations again.
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Sandmn
Nov. 13, 2006, 9:22 p.m.Luvmyprez: His merciless attacks on you started on page 3 of the gloating thread. I faught him all the way to page 7 before he left. It was a bloody fight, but you're honor is still intact. Like you ever had any honor.
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amazed
Nov. 13, 2006, 9:24 p.m.overall, I think rudy running is a good thing.
the 2nd amendment stuff is disturbing, but just as Bush could not undo abortion rights, Guiliani won't make significant headway undoing the right to bear arms.
Regardless of all the dictatorship, fascist, geatapo rhetoric, the extremes make a lot of noise, but the center (generally) prevails.
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mr-sir
Nov. 13, 2006, 10:07 p.m.Wow! It's amazing how the suggestion of his possible running can draw out all the hate-mongers, conspiracy nuts, and all the anti-U.S.-"U.S. is evil" freaks. If that's the best kind of "constructive critisism" that the other side of the fence can bring forward, then I back him all the way!
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Aotearoa
Nov. 14, 2006, 12:11 a.m.If dumbya was anything to go by with the incompetence , deception and lies, I think America deserve better than another repugnant admini. Nader for president.he,he,he
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americanslave222
Nov. 14, 2006, 12:24 a.m.Yeah that would be great to put a man partially responsible for letting 3000 people die in the trade centers into the oval office. He's already groomed to be a skilled murderer for wealthy people's gain. And why does he need to apply for fundraising? Ask him where all the gold is from the vaults under the trade center. He must have made at least 1% of the $1 Billion missing. That should be plenty of funds Rudy, no need to stick your hand out.
Replace evil with evil. Good idea.
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mr-sir
Nov. 14, 2006, 12:57 a.m.Whaaaaat????????? You accuse him of been a murderer?? Stealing gold from the WTC???? "Letting" the people die? Just what rock did you drag yourself out from under?
Anyone and everyone knows that he had absolutly NOTHING to do with the attacks on 11-September. To try blaming him is the most mean spirited, hate filled, blind-sighted, head-in-the-sand myth of all the bottom level myths that are out there! Attitudes like that can cause more harm, division and unrest than any terrorist EVER could! I bet Osama and his mates must sit back giggling as they read that nonsence, and are very thankful that there are people like you in the U.S.!
Unbelievable.
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Squedge
Nov. 14, 2006, 1:02 a.m.I know the truth about 9/11 is an extremely painful thing to accept. But, there is no scientific explanation for the collapse WTC7, there is an "official explanation", but it doesn't hold water. A steel framed building would never and has never collapsed due to fire alone, let alone one as small as the fire in WTC7. WTC7 was a fortress, it wouldn't just crumble like that. Any physicist with a backbone would agree. Seriously, calling all physicists, reply, explain it to me, enlighten me. Explain how small fires that never exceed 2000F melt structural steel. Send me links, back it up. I would love to be wrong about this.
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Squedge
Nov. 14, 2006, 11:04 a.m.Thanks for the info, I will look at this when I have some free time.
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RivrWlker
Nov. 14, 2006, 11:27 a.m.Wrong...speculation on the racist vote so far is that it isn't big enough to defeat Obama. He's our man and he can win. That's why we'll make him our candidate. Things have changed in a big way with this last election, a much bigger way than most Republicans care to acknowledge. The right wing of the Republican Party went down in total disgrace. They won't recover from it in years. I think your best bet is Rudy. America made it clear they can't stomach Republican BS any longer. Issues like gay marriage don't mean diddly, no matter what they said at the state level. The Democrats might favor such things because it's simply part of human rights to them, but they're not going to sink themselves over it. Republicans are going to have to move toward the center to have any chance at all, but they're badly smeared by the far right who won't shut up and will damage Rudy. He'll lose, and no way is it too soon for Obama.
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IB1028
Nov. 14, 2006, 1:14 a.m.Whatever, he showboated during 911.
He did what any mayor would do.
He gets on my nerves....
No to him, yes to Lou Dobbs in 2008!!
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