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Posted by: hemphill81 1 year, 8 months agoVice President Dick Cheney will be called as a defense witness in the CIA leak case, an attorney for Cheney's former chief of staff told a federal judge Tuesday.
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jeffery1
Dec. 19, 2006, 5:38 p.m.This'll be interesting. Cheney'll either outright lie on the stand, as he does daily, or say, "I directed him to reveal classified information that identified an agent working on WMD issues."
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JustCallMeV
Dec. 19, 2006, 9:20 p.m.Do you think he will spontaniously combust when he places his hand on the Holy Bible and swears to tell the "truth"?
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Albion
Dec. 19, 2006, 7:07 p.m.I have just finished reading a book written by a guy called Robert Corfe titled 'Freedom From America' and whilst I don't agree with most of the things he says and some of the blanket assumptions he makes, I do agree and already hold opinions that are similar to his i.e. the US is not a true democracy but most Americans think they live in a true and the ultimate democracy, most Americans think they are free but in reality they are just pawns manipulated by their 'corporate' polititians, America was not founded on freedom but in fact was originally settled by people who wanted to segregate themselves apart from others and live within strict religious limitations, most Americans are regarded as being rude, arrogant, ill educated and sadly lacking in understanding of other cultures, customs and ways. Sorry I know these things hurt but I am only telling you what most people worldwide think, they and I may be wrong but this is the perception we have of you. Sad but true.
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jeffery1
Dec. 19, 2006, 7:58 p.m.Human beings and are simply social animals. So, to understand humans you must understand social animals in general because we live by the same basic rules. Deep down in a social animal's pyche, fitting in and belonging to the group is far more important than being free because safety and survival comes from the group.
Therefore, democracy is not natural because it requires free-thinking and rational thought. It is far more natural to accept an authoritarian state with a leader who protects members and creates order. This is why some people gravitate toward authoritarianism and cannot operate well in a democracy, it requires breaking away from our nature.
Also, a simple democracy can be manipulated into an authoritarian state through the tyranny of the majority, which is what authoritarians work for with their vote.
It isn't just Americans though, it is all of us.
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joemont
Dec. 19, 2006, 9:04 p.m.Albion,
Thats interesting. I lived in Europe for 6 years and travelled all over the place, also got into the MidEast many times. Never did I experience any ill feelings from the people there. Mostly alot of curiousity (SP) and interest in what America was like.
I have been back many times over the years and although there are some obvious concerns expressed by some people, most of them, when you take time to talk with them and explain what is really going, understand and appreciate America.
Think the Leftist, "America Bad Media", here in the US does a great job of distorting, and frankly lying, about how we are perceived.
Our hallowed Media does an increidble diservice to our nation with this activity. Most of it Left or Far Left ideology.
The left here, it seems, has not been happy since the 60's - 70's. The reason? I conclude is that the nation has moved more to the center in ideology and philosophy. They can't stand it.
Go Jayhawks!!!
(:>)
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deathray
Dec. 19, 2006, 6:12 p.m.Who has called him as a witness, the defense or the prosecution?
It woill be interesting to see what he says under oath, and wh he questions will be. I am sure that he will e well coached, one way or the other.
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Searchbeam
Dec. 19, 2006, 9:38 p.m.I have no respect for a man who tells a Senator to F*** Himself in the Hallowed Chambers of the Senate!( the Senator mentioned here is Sen Patrick Leahy of Vermont, soon to be the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.)And he is the President of the Senate! Some moral standing!
Telling truth is not one of his Vices!
By impeaching both G and D, it will clear the deck! Therefore,
Impeachment Now, Vigilance Forever!
Peace and Blessings!
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Albion
Dec. 19, 2006, 6:40 p.m.Me thinks people on both sides of the pond are coming to realise we have a load of dispicable crooks running our governments, god help us.
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jehovahjones
Dec. 19, 2006, 11:45 p.m.Amen.
And admitting the truth is the first step... but only the first step...
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Tcaros
Dec. 19, 2006, 7:28 p.m.Congress needs more direct overisight into our government's covert services. This should be at the top of the agenda alongside the Iraq war for the newly elected democrats.
Before any money is approved the American people should know what they are doing. Also, they should be bound by all laws and the spirit of the laws as pertains to the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
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joemont
Dec. 19, 2006, 9:06 p.m.Does that include any other land in Moron..err..Marin County?
Go Jayhawks!!!
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EsaEngr
Dec. 19, 2006, 8:38 p.m.Jeffrey.... I doubt if Cheney will say much of anything, whether that be on the stand or (more likely) on tape. He will, if there actually ever is a trial, either claim the 5th or refuse to answer under advise from his attorney (remember Iran/Contra?), or will claim gov't secrets. ALL of which are legal, and need to be!
I tend to think that the political machine will get to Libby, and convince him to say that he did it and acted alone.
Like it or not.... It is reality, and happens often on both sides of the aisle.
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jordan11
Dec. 19, 2006, 9 p.m.He'll just claim immunity cause every-things a deep dark secret, (national 'security' and all.)
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Gatsby
Dec. 19, 2006, 9:30 p.m.This a**hole ought to be on trial instead of just testifying. He's a criminal who doesn't know the meaning of the truth.
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Searchbeam
Dec. 19, 2006, 9:48 p.m.jordan11:
Gatsby:
He should use Insanity Defense! That description fits perfectly with what he and his "charlie" have done over the past six years! Perhaps the best treatment for both would be:
Impeachment Now, Vigilance Forever!
Peace and Blessings!
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Teech
Dec. 19, 2006, 9:50 p.m.If ever there was a totally worthless piece of dog shiit, this man is it.
He will lie like the sack of shiit that he is, and perhaps he can be nailed for perjury.
This man is the lowest low life to ever hold public office.
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edromar2
Dec. 19, 2006, 10:01 p.m.What good would any such testimony be. Cheney has impeached his own testimony so often by telling bald faced lies that we all know were lies. And anyone known to be a notorius lier can give no testimony of value that has not already been impeached,
So who on a reasonable jury could ever listen to his lies with a straight face?
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toasted
Dec. 19, 2006, 10:52 p.m.This is entertaining. Calling Cheney a liar and etc. All politicians are liars,thats what they are and get paid to do! I don't care, republicans and democrats are all the same. You cannot get a straight answer on anything. So stop your bitching, it does no use,like they care what you have to say!
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jehovahjones
Dec. 19, 2006, 11:49 p.m.Nice try. I love when the neocons do this; it's almost amusing. Politicians are paid by me, and I do not pay them to lie. And what kind of English is "does no use", anyway? You can tell the neocons by their illiteracy...
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Albion
Dec. 20, 2006, 8:04 p.m.You are living under a misconception if you think politicians are paid to lie, they are not.
We the ordinary people put our trust in them when we give them our votes and if they then go on to break their promises they do not deserve to be in the office we have granted them.
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vor
Dec. 20, 2006, 8:32 a.m.I was just wondering if the prosecution is allowed to use waterboarding. Dick is going to be a tough nut to crack.
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FrankieT
Dec. 19, 2006, 11:45 p.m.Joe, I respect your opinion but my experiences support most of what albion says. and why would the press distort or lie about how people in other countries perceive us? For what purpose? We are, unfortunately, seen as arrogant, loud, ignorant, rude and dismissive of other cultures. People like myself and probably you help remove some of the tarnish when we show a different attitude but I have been living out of the country for 5 1/2 years and both places resent many americans. (Not all) And I can tell you I have seen soooo many American travelers that act badly, it makes me sick. I know everybody back home isn't that way but too many travelers are. ciao
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Albion
Dec. 20, 2006, 8:47 p.m.It was not my intention to insult and I am sorry if some may have gained that impression after reading my post. I have personally been to the US numerous times and apart from the people manning the immigration booths, who must be amongst the most ignorant people on this planet and put you off ever returning, I have found most Americans friendly, courteous and welcoming.
Where the bad impression comes from is most likely from the actions of the US administration and it follows American big business which, by the very nature of US politics, is one of the same no matter whether you vote democrat or republican.
They have to dominate in every country they are 'invited' into and contary to their declared statements of freedom and competition, they in reality try to monopolise and destroy or buy-out any and all competition and force their shallow ideals on the indigenous population, money, greed and hypocrisy. The ordinary American people have the power to change this sad perception.
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JenMurdock
Dec. 20, 2006, 12:02 a.m.Doesn't Cheney look like Ebeneezer Scrooge? Only he'd be the 'unrepentant' version.
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mamasan
Dec. 20, 2006, 12:50 a.m.gee mr cheny....seems like no one likes you?
does your money keep you warm at night...?
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lfergie812
Dec. 20, 2006, 1:10 a.m.It'll be a joke. He'll more that likely testify by video tape without being under oath with no cross examination. If he tells something that turns out to be proven untrue, nothing could be done.
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XbGuy
Dec. 20, 2006, 1:27 a.m.So, the law finally filters its way upward. Its amazing that the same people who preach accountablility to the masses are so surprised when they are called on to do the same.
If nothing happened, why was this man kept in what equates to animal captivity...?
The Judiciary should let the lawsuit go forward...people in power might think a little harder before stripping someones liberties...
'nuff said!
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hereyago
Dec. 20, 2006, 2:49 a.m.This lying son of a bastard is gonna ruin some people's lives...
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kedirian
Dec. 20, 2006, 5:24 a.m.Calling a man who can't shoot straight (literally and figuratively), talks out of both sides of his mouth (literally!) as a witness in a court-case amounts to legal MALPRACTICE...at best!
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AmericansNeedToWakeUp
Dec. 20, 2006, 9 a.m.How can we trust Dick Cheney on ANY front? Any front at all? And now we are going to be asked to trust his testimony on the Libby/Plame-Wilson case? Hardly.
I'm astonished that the USA was hoodwinked into electing this man to the second highest position in the land, considering that while CEO of Halliburton, he betrayed the American government by violating sanctions against Iran when he condoned the sale of nuclear weapons to Iran through an offshore subsidiary in the Caiman Islands! Yes folks, our VP sold nuclear technology to the enemy!!!!
Halliburton first started doing business in Iran in 1995, while Vice President Cheney was chief executive of the company and violation of U.S. sanctions. The Wall Street Journal reported in 2/01 that Halliburton was working behind an unmarked door on the ninth floor of a new north Tehran tower block and mail sent to the company's offices in Tehran was forwarded to Halliburton's Dallas headquarters.
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dtress1d
Dec. 20, 2006, 11:41 a.m.Sorry this is NOT a news story. There is nothing new here. Just the same old, same old!
Why can't the media do its job and help to stop the Int'l death & destruction caused by the Int'l Terrorists?
If they would 24x7 the Major Muslim cleric's public statements that terrorism is only premeditated murder & are against the Koran and that Int'l Terrorism is NOT a holy war & is against the Koran. Those who follow it are getting a one way ticket to the bad place, not the good place.
If the media did its job; most of the existing Int'l Terrorists would stop & few would join.
It would be the same as Billy Graham & the Pope saying that premeditated murder is wrong, which they have and most Christian do not do it! Those who do are looked down on by the vast majority of Christians!
I think the vast majority of Muslims would be doing the same, if the media did its job!
What do you think?
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vor
Dec. 20, 2006, 1:10 p.m.I agree and have written on this before. If the condemnation is so prolific why are we not hearing about it. This is the way you win this war. Killing random terrorists is not going to get it done.
Why aren't we directly addressing the major Islamic leaders and telling them, "If your religion is indeed of peace, you have adherents that are way out of line. They need to be properly educated. You are the only men they will listen to, you must speak now and speak loudly"...
I have seen the denunciations of the violence from Islamic leaders but they are too few and far between. If they fail to continually denounce the violence this is indeed proof that Islam itself has become a dangerous force.
Even our military leaders admit there is no military solution. We need to think creatively instead of turning to the old ways of bloodshed. Instead we refuse to talk to our enemies or even attempt to understand them.
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FrankieT
Dec. 20, 2006, 12:54 p.m.d - I really think you are blaming the wrong people, the media. Those in charge of our country and its policies are to blame for this gross error in judgement. and it has put us financially in a sinkholw and while our President 'thinks' on it, it just keeps getting worse.
Put the responsibility where it belongs.
You asked. I answered.
ciao
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