Politics – Sen. Kerry found himself all alone while he was over here. He cancelled his press conference because no one came, he worked out alone in the gym w/o any soldiers even going up to say hi or ask for an autograph (I was one of those who was in the gym at the same time), and he found himself eating breakfast with only a couple of folks who are obvious
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Too bad those embassy guys have nice soft jobs! A lot of our guys would've liked to have met him and gotten his autograph. As a Vietnam "Combat" Vet and Silver Star Recipient - he's recieved and fired more rounds than all of those compound troops - goes to show what they know. Our ODAs would've liked to have talked to him. Respect.
Tell me that you've served. I can't stand it when people who've never been in the military judge others who have based on personal convictions that are apart from the service in question.
Please know that the vast majority of those serving now have the same opinion of Kerry as Beef Jerky. As far as most are concerned he lost his "brother" status the day he started his political career (day he came back), as far as his awards.......There is a reason you can not sign off on your own paperwork for medals and awards anymore...Men like him.
I am not a John Kerry fan, refused to vote for him and disliked him since his Vietnam protest days. However, I believe in fairness, so your statement: "Please know that the vast majority of those serving now have the same opinion of Kerry as Beef Jerky." needs to be backed up by some objective means. Can you cite a poll conducted by a reputable source that can prove this point? Or is this just your (and your associates) personal belief?
Agreed...obviously beef jerkey is far superior to John Kerry
As a former Marine, I can't say that I blame any of the troops for not wanting to be seen with John Kerry. Whether you agree with the current war or not is irrelevant. What is important to the Marines, Sailors, Soldiers and Airmen that are serving their country is to know that they are at least supported by the politicians that may fall within their chain of command.
John Kerrys' conduct, both past and present, in my opinion is questionable at best. Finally, he does not deserve the attention from the troops that he desires. One thing that is important to know about the members of the service is once trust in another is lost it is rare that it is ever regained.
This is from my recent post. I have no affiliation with Christalline, but I just wanted to share my opinion with you.
Palama - Yes, I agree that that statement needs to be backed up. I'm curious though about why you think Kerry's Vietnam protest days were a bad thing. Isn't that the freedom we're supposedly trying to uphold around the world? Right or wrong, I would imagine he felt duty-bound to say what he did and that it took a lot of courage to stand up for what he believed in such a high pressure environment. It certainly took a lot more guts than our little blog!
At the time that Kerry was making those Vietnam protests, I had an uneasy feeling that he had ulterior motives for his very public protests which were carried nationwide. His responses to media questions seemed contrived and not very spontaneous. He kept repeating that 'litle boy' line that was effective the first time I heard it but became trite the umpteenth time he repeated it. He appeared to me to be playing to the media and his sincerety seemed suspect. I thought then that he had political ambitions which ultimately proved true. I too was a Vietnam war protester and had participated in many such protests. Kerry just seemed to me to be relishing his very public exposure during this time. I distrusted him then and I still have this bias against him.
Not true! Obviously you have never served! And supporting guys like beff jerk off, puts you into the catagory of insulting all our Silver Star and for that matter all medal recipients by trying to assume (putting ass before u and me)or assuming that recieved their medals before John Kerry came along.
As a Vietnam "Combat" Vet, I was ******ed off at Kerry until I realized what he was all about. I can assure you that all those who have been assigned and were assigned those "missions" know what he was trying to do. We didn't all agree, but we know what that brother was trying to say. The rest of you civilians have NO CLUE.
Oh please. Hanoi John shot a rock, got his in the a$$ by shrapnel, and whined 'till he got a purple heart. I think that pretty much covers it. Oh yeah, and he lied through his teeth before Congress and made himself into a traitor. THAT is what Hanoi John is all about. HELLO?? Reality calling.
And your proof that his purple heart was fake is what?
A group condemned by both right and left?
Spare us the republican talking points. Kerry served in Vietnam which is more then can be said of much of the republican leadership, including the Decider.
Reality is indeed calling, are you going to listen?
I wonder how many people Kerry caused to be tortured when he lied to Congress. Who do you think caused more pain, Hanoi John or Hanoi Jane?
Are you guys suckers! This is not a true story.
Neither is most of the political rhetoric posted here
He lied to Congress? How do you figure he lied to Congress? Do you have any proof, anything? I dont mean repug talking points either. Something bipartisan and objective.
Here is the true story on his recent visit to Iraq:
http://www.johnkerry.com/news/articles/newsarticle
ROFLMBO!! You expect me to believe something from Kerry's own website?? GET REAL!
Of course you believe everything a highly partisan sight says, including the inability to notice that the Union Jack (British Flag) is in the background.
Interesting.
Where and when did you serve? No one I know who has served would be so flip about all of this.
You're kidding, right? Are you that blind to reality?
Kerry caused no one to be tortured when he told Congress his views. It is an American citizen's obligation to act on his or her convictions and Kerry carried out his obligation.
The problem the right-wing has with Kerry is solely based on their love of war and the use of military might to resolve issues with other nations. The right-wing is absolutely authoritarian as their love of a unitary president attests. The right-wing is better suited to living in a Stalinesque state than a democracy. The right-wing uses democracy as a means to destroy it from within, to create an authoritarian state, where opposing views are conrolled.
You cannot be legitimately ordered to commit war crimes, crimes against humanity, or act against the Geneva Convention. Military personnel can refuse such orders. Kali committed war crime and should have been prosecuted for them as should anyone who directed him to commit them. Kali was not stabbed in the back.
Kerry spoke up as he saw fit. He did so as an Ameerican citizen. You right-wing idiots love the troops until you disagree with them.
Actually jeffery1, My Problem with kerry is that he called our soliders at the time that he Served with Them War criminals, and also called himself 1, But yet the Democraps over look this Huge point and say he is this great man, GREAT MAN how is He a GREAT MAN, He hates this country, and He ALWAYS has, HIS own statments to the congressional hearings back then Proves it.
More nonsense from a right-wing hack. You go, B1B!
B1-- You talk completely out of bias qand total ignorance! The men actually ON his boat testified to the FACT Kerry jumped off his boat and chased down a sniper and killed him. One of "the swift boat" big mouths signed Kerrys medal recomendation. The swift boat rednecks were angry because of what Kerry said AFTER he returned from V.N.. Kerry was right in his senate testimony about that horrible war. You simply goose step to the neos call to arms and never find out any truth yourself- You are a moron and you are unAmerican
Oh, give it a rest. Kerry shot a rock and got hit in the backside by shrapnel. Period. You are a moron and you are unAmerican.
Prove it you bully. What's unAmerican is the way you try to force your bias on others with no facts to back it up. I feel sorry for you.
B1BLancer - were you there?! What lies and a traitor how?
"Cool Hand Luke" had a Silver Star; I just read the book. John Kerry isn't as Cool as Luke. In fact, Kerry is about as uncool as a human bean can get. That fake extra low voice of his needs to go away. He's a bit like Reagan. The whole act just doesn't hang together and comes off as a goofy cartoon character.
I was in the Navy right before Vietnam, and I did not support the war, and I still support the Vietnam Veterans Against the War.
Apart from serving or where you stand on the Vietnam war itself you should all know one thing, it was Kennedy that got us involved..period... My dad was in Korea and was one of the units assigned to scout the Country of Vietnam and report back on the findings. Well they were all negative. The report stated it was all jungle no roads and no infrastructure at all. No reason to fight for that country at all. Now did Kennedy listen NO..NO ..NO ... I don't think he even looked at the reports if he had we would have never been there in the first place. Put the blame where it belongs another screwed up attempt at trying to make the U.S the police of the world with the Democrats at the helm. Why oh why does everyone think this guy was such a great president... anyone from Mass. will tell you they were nothing but crooks in the same line of work as Al Capone, one goes to jail and the other has a son elected president how screwed up is that ?
That says it all. Obviously veterans have and should have the final say and vote with regard to John Kerry. He was a traitor then and they knew it.
Yes, i'm sure O'Neil's accounts somehow out weight all the other accounts.
*eyeroll* Republicans will believe anything if it puts down someone they dont like.
Kerry Derangement Syndrome.
Its amusing to see how many Repugs suffer from it.
O'Neil is a bitter man that never got over the Viet Nam disaster. He hated Kerry for telling the truth in public. There were many more V.N. vets that agreed with Kerry but had no way to express it. The men that actually served with Kerry support his medal. Bush was AWOL, refused a drug test, lost his pilots licence and went back to the bottle and cocain.Bush refused to volunteer for VietNam and you have the brainless gall to critisize a man that went as a volunteer.... Bush etc. all opted out. Clinton didn't go but he at least publicly protested that murderous war.
Like your name...don't even try. You're barking up the wrong tree. It's a shame we put our lives on the line for things like yourself, but that's what this country is all about. Go back to your marbles and paint kid. Silver star recipients are on a website ...go look.
beefjerky----hadn't seen you for a while and thought that you had gone. Sorry you hadn't.
Beefjerky is a first class jerk who does not have any idea what he is talking about. Bet you he never even served in the military. I should add he is probably an armchair jerk.
You believe right-wing hacks serving the right-wing hate machine becaue you obviously are a right-wing thug. You and those you follow have axes to grind simply because Kerry is a Democrat and nothing more.
Kerry served and Bush failed to fulfill any of his service commitments even though his pop got him out of harm's way. ABC news went to Vietnam and interviewed ex-Viet Cong who fought against Kerry and they corroborated Kerry's story and the official military records. Kerry earned his medals and Bush earned our contempt.
This story provides abasolutely no proof that it is true and from a link to right-wing hack sites indicates it is a lie. Anyone can post a photo and make up a story about it. It would be nice if Netscape would require a modicum of truth to any story it allows to be posted.
You need to stop believing the garbage put out by the Dan Rather types of the liberal mainstream media. The TRUTH is that Bush completely fulfilled his National Guard service requirements, and was a trained combat pilot. One does not become trained to fly a jet fighter, especially one known to have control problems, by dodging service or by being stupid.
Kerry didn't earn anything except my utter contempt and the well-deserved designation of traitor.
Oh, OK. You are a right-wing hack. Enough said.
Ok, OK. You are a left-wing sheep who can't think think for himself. Enough said.
One more vote that B1Blancer is a right wing hack.
Thanks. I'll file that one right here in the "I don't give a rat's backside what you think" folder.
You obviously do care otherwise you wouldn't have posted a response.
I see...you've apparently gotten caring confused with sarcasm. Sorry. I'll try to type slower.
Bush completed nothing except the hiding of his record. Viet Nam was my era and everyone knew the natl. guard was the way to get out of the draft and thus not go to V.N. It is different now. Bush got in to an elite unit along with a lot of other little rich boys. He only had to say "send me" and he could have served in V.N. He trained for a plane that was not used in V.N knowing that fact.He lost his pilots licence because he no showed for a blood (drug) test. B1 you are an unpatriotic thug slamming a man that fought for his country and you support cowards like Bush and Cheney that refused to fight.
I'm slamming a man who is a known liar and a traitor. Bush trained for a plane that would be responsible for repelling an invasion of Soviet bombers, but hey, that's trivial, right? Get real.
Yes that is trivial when he refused to take a drug test to FLY the fricken plane..
As for calling Kerry a traitor, who ACTUALLY fought for his country in what he realized was a stupid mission. Bush - DODGED the draft... So who is REALLY the traitor????
Bush trained? On a bar stool or slumped over the toilet. He was usually hanging in the right-wing Deferment Center where Cheney and other Republican heavyweights, like Carl rove, hung out.