Will Bush, Cheney attack Iran? When and why? »
Posted by: populist 1 year, 7 months ago262 Comments Report this Story
Leaders who are determined to provoke war, who seem to have extreme political and religious agendas and who are willing to bring death and destruction are not unique to our times now. There have always been leaders who sought to acquire, use and abuse power for all the wrong reasons. Leaders like this have long been a threat to world peace...
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time4change1 year, 7 months ago
This is so deja vu....remember the months leading up to Iraq....how the tanks/equipment was deployed....then the 'dog and pony show' for the UN....lies to the American people....lies to congress....This idiot/animal/president must be stopped !!
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Watchemoket1 year, 7 months ago
By that definition, neither was Ronny Ray-gun, or Tricky Dicky. The last President with actual military experience was Bush 41, a Navy pilot. That was a better experience than junior's is, but shows that the fact that a President has military experience doesn't guarantee leadership abilities (or intelligence).
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Graycrab1 year, 7 months ago
Israel also has NUKES. Many of them in fact. Over 200. A week or so ago I read an article they were threatening to use some on Iran if US doesn't act soon against that country.
Under these circumstances I can understand why Iraq would feel it necessary to get them.
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Locky121 year, 7 months ago
Thank God for Bush!
At least he'll handle a problem. All the others like to stick their heads in the sand and wish big problems like this away!
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PatrioticAmerican1 year, 7 months ago
You can not have a peaceful resolution when 1 side (Iran) doesnt want to talk peace, Iran wants as much Death as they can get, So it is a joke when people say "peaceful" Resolution can be reached with Iran, Because all Iran wants is the worl to surrender to them or they will Kill those that dont, They have admitted to this on SEVERAL occasions
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Paulalois151 year, 7 months ago
You make ignorant comments, but it does not mean that all americans are idiots. Iran should never be judged as a people as a whole. They are not all fundamentalists. Learn a bit more about the circumstances and Individual leaders who have come to power there before making dangerous sweeping statements about an entire nation. The views are as varied and different as you and I. Are we not a civilized world, and should we not aspire to civilized means of resolving conflicts. Nobody wins in a war - technology progresses, but everyone comes out smarter wondering how much more we could have achieved with out it.
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echn1111 year, 7 months ago
> Iran wants as much Death as they can get
> Iran wants is the worl to surrender to them or they will Kill those that dont
Look, even if people might somewhat agree with you, you come out like a bit of an idiot by saying this without anything to back up what you're saying.
You appear to be deliberately trying to give patriotic Americans a bad name, or at the very least, making them sound like fools. I suggest you go back to your liberal forums and stop trolling.
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JustCallMeV1 year, 7 months ago
I am not a fortune teller, but I saw this coming when the war started in 2003. The reduction of troops in the Balkins, troop movments in Saudi Arabia and build-up in Kuwait; shifting units in Afghanistan. All sure signs of area of operation containment.
The theater will widen into Iran by fall 2007 and President Ahmadinejad is giving every reason for UN/US to surpress him.
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topperjax1 year, 7 months ago
an excerpt from the article: ((The reasons for and intelligence prior to the Iraq invasion may have been fraudulent - consciously and purposely fraudulent.))
The truth, unfortunately, is just another inconvenience to these people. The problem is that the American public just looks away to pretend that they are not really part of the problems with our governmental leaders.
Sadly, though, closing our eyes to the wrongs done to us and to the innocent bystanders in this war will not make the monster go away.
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populist1 year, 7 months ago
wow, great perspective. good reminder that these politicians are really just agents of us....
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toph19731 year, 7 months ago
The neocons that put these people in power do bear some of the responsibility for the failures of this administration. I say we put all 65 million that voted for bush in Vietraq. Let them all clean up the mess they created.
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populist1 year, 7 months ago
maybe, or maybe just the expansion of power and wealth. "greed"
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Searunner521 year, 7 months ago
It's all so stupid. There is absolutely no evidence that Iran is seeking nuclear weapons - not a single bit. Nor, if the reports coming out of Iraq are to be believed is there much evidence to support the contention that Iran is directly aiding, arming, and training the Shi'a militia!
This is not a matter comparable to sending our troops into the Balkens to prevent genocide or even launching a few dozen cruise missles at isolated targets. Any attack on Iran is going to be considered an Act of Warby them and justifiably so.
Bush can rattle on about how he has the authority but he doesn't. Only Congress has the authority to declare War and it is up to every single one of us to tell our elected representatives that enough is enough and to keep telling them until they get the message!
If we don't then the blood of countless innocents will be on our hands as well!
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bubba21 year, 7 months ago
PROOF please. Where is the DOCUMENTATION of this "highly enriched" uranium? I think we would all like to see it.
There is NO proof - no intelligence agency from ANY country has come up with any proof that Iran is doing anything with nuclear energy other than to generate electricity.
Our cargo ports and shippers have had NO security since BEFORE 9/11. Someone could be smuggling in all sorts of weapons and we would NOT know it. The Bush administration has refused to implement ANY sort of decent security for cargo shipping. We have only been LUCKY that no attacks have occurred here since 9/11.
And since when are we supposed to invading some country just to protect the Israelis? They have more than enough weapons and soldiers to protect themselves.
OUR military needs to be protecting OUR country, not someone else's.
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bubba21 year, 7 months ago
Current article documenting that there is NO proof of Iran trying to create nuclear weapons --
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?typ
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disraeli1 year, 7 months ago
The International Atomic Energy Agency has in fact detected trace amounts of highly enriched uranium and plutonium in Iran at their uranium enrichment facility. Iran explains away these traces by saying that they are residual traces left from the previous owners of the enrichment equipment and the IAEA has stopped short of concluding that these traces are categoric proof of a weapons program.
In any event these trace discoveries coupled with Iran's intransigence with respect to affording IAEA inspectors full and unfettered inspection access is cause for concern. Given the bellicose statements that come out of Tehran, Iran with a thermonuclear device in hand is not a pretty picture.
Does the current situation warrant military intervention? No, not based on what is publicly known. Does the current situation warrant vigourous diplomatic and economic pressure - absolutely.
Although I fear that the exercise of diplomacy is beyond the skill set of the current US administration.
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Helixbuilder1 year, 7 months ago
So you are advocating genocide for a people who have yet to make a bomb? So what if they do? Maybe they think that if they have a nuke or two George and his gang of thieves won't invade their country.
Let's see how did we keep the Soviet from using their nukes on us?
Paranoia is not an excuse for genocide.
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Searunner521 year, 7 months ago
please sparky - you have used that strawman time and again and it has been consistantly shot down. Whenever you enrich uranium you are going to have some that is more highly enriched than the majority. What we are talking aboput here are traces - and nowhere near the levels needed for the manufacture of a nuclear weapon!
I am more concerned with the detonation of an LNG carrier in those same harbors than I am a nuclear weapon and if you feel so strongly about it why haven't you enlisted sparky!
What's the problem - no balls or are you going to come back with the crap that you have already served. Well guess what fella Blackwater is hiring so send in your resume coward!
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PatrioticAmerican1 year, 7 months ago
Searunner why dont you just come out and say the Osama did not aid the Talaban to do 911 and that he is not responsible for any of the deaths caused by terrorism, after all, even tho he has admitted to it, there is no proof so he is innocent and we need to pardon him of all crimes and let him do what he wants because he is not a threat to anyone, You are a terrorist and a dictator sympathizer, and that makes you very unpatriotic and VERY Unamerican in my opinon.
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Searunner521 year, 7 months ago
Hey sparky - KMA!
I have never said that we were unjustified in going into Afghanistan - in fact I applauded such action. It is what has happened since then that gives me great cause for concern.
1) Osama is still on the loose 5.5 years after the fact!
2) The Taliban are regaining strength and territory!
3) The opium crop is the largest on record!
4) Bush abandoned Afghanistan to go into Iraq when there was no evidence to support such an invasion
Now your fearless leader wants to attack another nation on just as dubious information.
Like I said to the other clown sparky - Why haven't you enlisted and put your ass on the line! I suspect it is because you are nothing more than a coward!
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hamy1 year, 7 months ago
And you are a hideous creation of the divisive politics spread by the current administration. It is your breed of "with me or against me" politics that have torn our country apart.
If you question the judgment of the President, it doesn't make you in love with Osama Bin Ladin. My mother is insane and she makes that same argument whenever I make a point that she doesn't like.
Just because people disagree with the way the President handles things, it doesn't mean they love terrorists or want Iran to get the Nukes so they can destroy us or that we thought Saddam was a great guy.
Please stop the self-aggrandizing rhetoric.
Who's next on this soapbox!
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rumple4skin1 year, 7 months ago
-War profiteering and corruption
- Illegal wiretapping and surveillance of American citizens
- Suspension of Constitutional protections
- Kidnapping and torture
- War crimes
- CIA employee, Valerie Plame Wilson, and the unstoppable ramp-up to the start of this undeclared war, all seemed like a impossible scenarios, didn't they? The nightmare has continued for so long it has become reality. We have been brainwashed and numbed to the situation. Even in the wake of the past election we are STILL lock-kneed and lockjawed, while Congress refuses to remove these madmen.
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Searunner521 year, 7 months ago
But the fact is that she wasn't a low-level "wonk" at the CIA and the fact still remains that GW Bush lied to the American people during the State of the Union speech!
You can spin it to your black little hearts content and it isn't going to change a single fact!
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rumple4skin1 year, 7 months ago
Those of us who think we love America stand in disbelief that this bunch of criminals have not been removed from government by loud-talking Democrat politicians. We keep telling them ... remove the b***ards. They need to get to work or we need another armed revolution to begin to correct the course. The Congress is mostly talk and no corrective or preventive action. I have witnessed the kidnapping of my country and am willing to die to to get her back. To do nothing but wait for Congress is indicating we have lost our collective minds!
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Candida1 year, 7 months ago
Attacking Iran would be criminal, and the administration has done a lot of things it shouldn't have, but armed revolution is certainly not the solution. Armed revolution by a small group is suicide, and with a large group unnecessary. With enough support, there are peaceful means to achieve change. Politicians want to be reelected, and if enough people voice their objection to the course they are following, they'll have to listen. It takes time and perseverance, but it works better than violence, and the results are more predictable.
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Candida1 year, 7 months ago
I say armed revolution is NOT comimg, but if it is, underestimating your enemy can be dangerous. There is a great difference between willingness to attack and willingness to defend one's self. As guerilla wars over the centuries have shown, superior weapons don't guarantee victory.
Civil war, however, is the typical lose-lose situation.
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MonkeyBiz1 year, 7 months ago
Not all politically progressive citizens are anti-gun or untrained. Most of my fellow veterans that I know are disgusted with the neocon knuckleheads and their anti-veteran policies (all the while wavng the flag for the troops). I don't think some good ole boys even armed to the teeth stand a chance against a determined group of combat vets. I don't know what possesses me to respond to you anyway. You are just really silly.
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Searunner521 year, 7 months ago
Well sparky I don't know about you but I would dare say that I am at least as heavily armed - if not more so - that you are. Moreover so are a majority of my friends.
The fact is that 229 years ago the "left wing liberals" in this Country overthrew another tyrant named George and they did it against what was argueably the finest military in the world at that time! If it comes down to a shooting war You can count on two things happening!
The wealthy fat cats of the right will flee in droves while cowards like you will run away! and
This Nation will cease to exist!
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CatholicRedneck1 year, 7 months ago
What evil men we have running the US! And what will the attack on Iran do to the price of oil? And the American economy? God help us all.
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CatholicRedneck1 year, 7 months ago
Good point. Maybe when the Strait of Hormuz is shut down and the price of oil shoots through the roof, neocons will be less inclined to think God chose Bush to lead America.
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mbkijb1 year, 7 months ago
As far as the "why" part of the question, the answer is simple..... BECAUSE IT'S THERE!
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BhaktaRajPrabhu1 year, 7 months ago
Everyone knows that Bush was hardly "chosen by God" to lead us, and I think most of the people on this planet know that governments are typically bands of thugs, quarreling over territory. That's cursing the darkness.
How do we light the candle?
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rrrtx1 year, 7 months ago
This is just like the scare stories about bringing back the draft. People repeat it over and over again despite the fact that the administration said they weren't going to do it. Even after all these years, still no draft, people are still saying it.
The Iran "attack" story is exactly the same. The Bush admin said we aren't going to attack. They know they don't have the military resources to do it and there is no public support for it. But does that stop people from saying over and over again that Bush is going to attack? Of course not.
It's good old fashioned propaganda and fear-mongering.
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Tyron1 year, 7 months ago
If you like scary stories here is one that slipped by everyone.
The US will not attack Iran: it will be Israel. Bush is getting ready for the fallout.
Remmember the warning that Israel gave Iran and the World that it would not let Iran have nuclear weopans. Also keep in mind that Israel has nuclear weopans and the means to deliver them.
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vor1 year, 7 months ago
Given the ties between the Neo-cons and Zionists this would not be surprising. Perhaps the carrier groups are there to deal with any retaliatory actions?
This has no correlation to a draft. When you are at 28% what does public approval matter? I guarantee you that we have battle plans drawn up for Iran and that Cheney would lie straight to your face about it. Or maybe tell you to f--- off, it's none of your business!
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