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Even as their confrontation with President Bush over Iraq escalates, emboldened congressional Democrats are challenging the White House on a range of issues -- such as unionization of airport security workers and the loosening of presidential secrecy orders -- with even more dramatic showdowns coming soon.

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jordan111 year, 6 months ago

Considering the way bush has gone off track with our political system, it's certainly no surprise there will be increased conflicts. I wouldn't want the democrats job with those Congressional CONS obstructing everything they try to do.
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  bobo-in-texas1 year, 6 months ago
  
  Since unionization is such a great thing, I suggest the that Democrat House and Senate members show their solidarity and allow their staffs to organize.
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    earthlingerer1 year, 6 months ago
    
    I know that some are paid, but how do you unionize volunteers and co-op students?
    I'm sure they're free to, though.
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      bobo-in-texas1 year, 6 months ago
      
      Well since by legislation they are specifically exempted from minimum wage and other labor laws, I suspect not.
      Also the vast majority of Congressional staff (not campaign workers) at the Capitol are certainly paid. Just not very much and they typically work 50-70 hours a week.
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        x-investor1 year ago
        
        Really?
        http://green-seo.ru/
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      dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
      
      lol, you need to understand BoBo follows very simple rules. If its Con its good, if its liberal its bad. Try not to confuse him too much with fact.
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        bobo-in-texas1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Just curious. What's not factual in my statement? It does seem that earthlingerer is confused about who I was referring to when I referenced Congressional staff. I'm not sure what your issue is.
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        dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
        
        What a surprise that you missed the entire point of his post AND it appears the entire gist of the article.
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        questionseverything1 year, 6 months ago
        
        bobo like most neo cons prefers to change the subject
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        funatwork1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Leaving the actual argument aside do you know what Fascism refers to? I am just confused as to how that statement is fascist?
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        dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
        
        So that explains why you COns never listen to the news, FACTS and TRUTH seem to be considered neo-lib fascist statements.
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        ConquerorWyrm1 year, 6 months ago
        
        I thought I had explained this to you before. You are obviously refering to, with the inclusion of the word 'lib', those you prefer to broadly charactorize under the current political term 'liberal' which, in the simplified minds of followers, means 'left' or 'leftist' which, as you all know, in todays parlance refers to the left side of the oversimplified political diagram which most simple people refer to for reasons of it's, well, simpleness (ignoring the multi-variations which abound) and as we all know, that Left side of the spectrum is Socialism and that leads to that great horror Communism, the direct polar opposite of the Right side of the spectrum, Fascism (or, as Benito put it, Corporatism).
        That makes your phrase, "neo-lib fascist", outside of being a dumb play on 'neo-con' (a self-described title) pointless in that, well, if Fascism is on the Right, how can a Leftist Liberal then wear the title of the Right?
        Boy, you are confused.
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        Sandokan1 year, 6 months ago
        
        libssuck...is yours to be considered the typical Neo Con logical statement??? "Oh, what a typical neo-lib fascist statement." LMAO....lib fascist... how about democratic communist???? Dunce
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        bobo-in-texas1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Umm, how about addressing my original post? Or is it too difficult?
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        ConquerorWyrm1 year, 6 months ago
        
        I don't think that the problem, dear BoBo (that's cute), is that it is too difficult. I believe that the problem is that your original post has little, if any, relevance to the article in discussion. Oh, yeah, there is that one part which reads...
        "...such as unionization of airport security workers..."
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        "A Senate-approved measure...prompting a veto threat."
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        "...tough new standards for labor rights..."
        But outside of that, there is no other mention or reference to Unions or unionization. Your original post -
        "Since unionization is such a great thing, I suggest...allow their staffs to organize."
        has no bearing on the article herein discussed. It is, and the reason why you've had no takers, nothing but a stinking red herring...a trap...
        Dear BoBo, let not your feelings here be hurt. That was a naughty trick you tried. You should always becareful what you fling, and if it's as stinky as that herring, refrain.
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        bobo-in-texas1 year, 6 months ago
        
        So, there are three instances where unionization is mentioned in the article.
        The President has threatened a veto in part because unionization of airport security workers will make it much harder if not impossable to redeploy them effectively when needed.
        Congressional Democrats are strongly in favor of the unionization despite the Presidents arguments.
        In the past Congress has exempted its staff from labor laws because it would make their staffs more costly, less flexible and therefore less effective.
        I point out this fact at the top of this thread and stand accused of posting irrelevant and/or deceptive information.
        Perhaps you should rethink your previous comments.
        
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        ConquerorWyrm1 year, 6 months ago
        
        No, perhaps you should focus on WHAT THE ARTICLE FOCUSES ON rather than shifting it and whining about how no one wants to play your pathetic game of shift and drift.
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        dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Nothing of substance? ROFLMAO, leave it to a Bushie to call a post that points out FACT and the typical right wing ploy of trying to change topic nothing of substance. ROFLMAO, I guess that explains why you guys got voted out. Seems the majority of Americans saw substance where you saw nothing.
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        bobo-in-texas1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Well first you didn't address my legimate question.
        Second, right at the top of the article unionization of airport sercurity screeners was a Democrat agenda item. I focused on that.
        Please explain what, if any of these actions is not germaine to the article?
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        ConquerorWyrm1 year, 6 months ago
        
        No, you didn't focus on that. You said...
        "Since unionization is such a great thing, I suggest the that Democrat House and Senate members show their solidarity and allow their staffs to organize."
        In your post is NO MENTION of 'airport security screeners'. In no way did you attempt to tie your comment to that scant, brief mention in the article. Instead, you (as your post will attest) launched directly into a false and invalid argument as accusation into something related only by your imagination to the subject at hand. Not germaine. Not at all.
        What it was was a rather low (or stupid, I'll let you decide) attempt to shift the subject by challenging the Democrats to live up to the expectations of your oversimplified stereotype.
        Let's try that the other way!
        (for example only)
        Since profiteering & property is such a great thing, I suggest the that Republican House and Senate members show their abject greed and claim ownership of their staffs.
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        bobo-in-texas1 year, 6 months ago
        
        The short answer is that Congressional Democrats are perfectly willing to unionize airport security workers but unwilling to allow their own staff even more basic protection under minimum wage and workplace safety laws much less unionization.
        Or even more simply. Congressional Democrats are workplace fairness chickenhawks.
        As for your rather remarkable suggestion, I don't think that it is feasable since slavery in America has been abolished.
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        ConquerorWyrm1 year, 6 months ago
        
        But hey, as far as ridiculous and stupid stereotypes like what you put forth, it works perfectly.
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        bobo-in-texas1 year, 6 months ago
        
        I can see that discussion is not what you are interested in so I will leave you to your silly ideas/rants. Have a nice day!!!
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        ConquerorWyrm1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Good.
        See, the point was was to shut down your false and invalid line of discussion which, apparently I have. Actually, using the word 'discussion' to label what was, in truth, an attempt by you to distract from the topic of the article isn't accurate. Besides that, you still have failed to make your point by somehow justifying that your off-topic rant was in any way connected to the topic. Being that it wasn't and being that you've failed, I will have a nice day.
        Oh, next time, try relevance...it might help.
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        bobo-in-texas1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Blah, Blah, Blah.
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        bobo-in-texas1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Your remarkable suggestion that members of Congress should enslave their staff is novel but probably not going to gather much support.
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        Sandokan1 year, 6 months ago
        
        What part of Bobo's aforementioned statement was Con? Or did he post on another thread? Even as a lib... i just read facts.
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    tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
    
    No doubt bo bo, turning our airports security into organized crime by allowing them to unionize is the last thing we need.
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    jordan111 year, 6 months ago
    
    Since unionization is such a great thing, I suggest the that Democrat House and Senate members show their solidarity and allow their staffs to organize.>>>>>
    You're deflecting. What makes you think they're staff wants to 'organize?' That's rhetorical, and no reply is required.
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      bobo-in-texas1 year, 6 months ago
      
      Let see, long hours for low pay working for a boss who is a Friend of Labor. The rhetorical deflection is pretty obvious and it's not coming from me.
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        ConquerorWyrm1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Dear BoBo, I'll take the bait on your little set-up if you can do one thing for me. That one little, teensy thing, Dear BoBo, is to simply tell me how your comment is related in any way at all to the article in question.
        Think you can do that?
        If you got the noodle needed and the knuts required, this shouldn't be a challenge (even in the face of obvious truth)...but I have no doubt you'll try hard.
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    Sandokan1 year, 6 months ago
    
    IMHO and as a former DOD Officer, I believe that Government Employees should not be allowed to join any Union. There are just too many reasons against unions. One just has to know the history behind the reason unions were formed. It would be a paradox to have a need for unionization among government employees.
    Besides you can't fire slaves anyways.... lol
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  MajJohn1 year, 6 months ago
  
  It only becomes obstructionism when the Republicans do it, when the Democrats to it it's for the good of all. The Democrats are getting even for the past 6 years. Nothing ever changes in Washington, nothing so let's not get our panties in a twist with partisan bickering.
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    EdInABQ1 year, 6 months ago
    
    Come on, give me a break. The Republicans ruled for the last 6 years with the same slim majority. They exacerbated the "rule of 51%" as an alternative to good government. The Democrats were allowed exactly zero participation in government during that time. Frankly considering the abysmal results, some correction is necessary.
    The Republicans managed to get us into a war that we can't win, which had nothing to do with any war on terror. The Republicans have made us and our world less secure, if you believe their own national intelligence estimate. The Republicans increased the national debt by about 45%. The Republicans allowed this President to run with absolutely no Congressional checks. Frankly that party simply blew it. We do need to challenge this President for his incompetent administration.
    It is interesting that you characterized this as Democrats "getting even". I guess my mind doesn't work that way. Cheers.
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      4cprocess1 year, 6 months ago
      
      What happened to the 100 day "New Congress"?
      Read for yourselves. I'm not impressed at all.
      http://www.nbc11.com/news/11425418/detail.html
      Maybe we had better give them a couple more hundred. It appears they're gonna need it.
      In God We Trust
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        OnlyTheTruth1 year, 6 months ago
        
        The House passed the Bills they promised to pass. Obstructionist Republicans (redundant) in the Senate are blocking it.
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        dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Pssst care to look at WHO is blocking those bills? Why its the party that was screaming OBSTRUCTINISM anytime a Dem voiced concern. Hypocrisy has found a home inthe right wing.
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        jordan111 year, 6 months ago
        
        What happened to the 100 day "New Congress"?>>>
        So....legislation that saves taxpayers millions by negotiating drug prices doesn't impress you? Giving people a decent wage doesn't impress you? Starting the work of protecting our infrastructure doesn't impress you? Ethics reform doesn't impress you? Oh, I won't bother to list the rest. You've probably stopped reading by now.
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        splitrch1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Speaking logic to a bushcon is like trying to chop down a tree with a feather. Anything Democrats do to bring a semblance of equity to the public is going to be called names. Names like commie socialist pinko weirdo. All the while these people are voting to screw themselves. Too bad their idiocy affects the rest of us..
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        tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Jordan, again you are way off base. How can you be excited about legislature that will save taxpayers millions, when they are trying to increase taxes by 400 billion. Twice Clinton's record breaking tax hike. Going by the stats my congressman sent me, in might state the average tax payer will see an annual increase of about $2700. Boy that sounds fun. Too bad I have a sense of self-worth, self-respect, and dignaty. If it weren't for these I would take the libs way out of paying taxes. Lose my job, go on welfare, maybe sell some drugs. Or maybe I could even renounce my citizen-ship go to mexico, cross back illegally, and live for free. With the dems in charge, it will be smooth sailing.
        As for ethics reform,
        How can the woman who tried to appoint alcee hastings(a man, who in 1988 she voted to impeach for bribery and perjury, and in fact was successful in his impeachment)to a house committy, be ethical?
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        tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
        
        As for giving people a "decent wage", who on god's green earth would aspire to making minimum wage. For that matter, how come this wage would not be implemented to the corporations in her own district? Again with the "ethics".
        Splitrch speaks of being called a socialist. Maybe if libs would quit supporting socialist ideals, and wanting socialized medicine, those names would not fit. While I might not like, or agree with MY President all the time, I am truly thankful he was in charge on 9/11, instead of one of you defeatist libs.
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        splitrch1 year, 6 months ago
        
        And a fine job he's done. YOUR President will go down in history as the WORST President ever. Dead last. No one even close. His administration has managed to mess up everything that's come it's way. You Repugs claim to be efficient and the better party when it comes to National Security. It must hurt knowing that your fearless leader has completely mismanaged the war. In fact he mismanaged 2 wars. The righteous war we should have won and the fiasco in Iraq we never should have undertaken.
        Not shafting people to enrich corporations is not the same thing as socialism. We wouldn't ramrod corporate give-aways down Americans' throats. All you people seem to do is F**k up the government every time you get your greedy hands on it. Has it occurred to you that you didn't have the majority for 40 years for a reason? You held it for 12 years and I pray to God you never have it again.
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        tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Why? Why? Why, why, why? Why is my President the "worst President ever"? Can you even give a single reason as to why that would be a fact? You cannot, because it is not, or ever will be a fact. Also, since you seem to know so much about president's and what they have done, I'm safe in assuming that you can spout off every President's name, and what their administration accomplished, or did not accomplish at will? Until you can do that, you are not qualified to make your claim. Also, claims like that are based on opinion. It's obvious that a communists opinion of President Bush would not be a good one.
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        jordan111 year, 6 months ago
        
        How can you be excited about legislature that will save taxpayers millions, when they are trying to increase taxes by 400 billion.>>>>
        I'm not exited about tax increases. But I'm not stupid, and know it takes $$$$$$$ to run a country, and we're broke. I also know WHY we're broke. Personally, I think taxes should only be raised on the dimwits who elected the fools who spend money like it's water. The CONS! And if YOU were smart, you'd be screaming for the millions back that some jackass CON stuck in a bill for a GD teapot museum in North Carolina! Pulleeeze. Spare me the nonsense you're spouting about democrats. The CONS have been screwing my country for twelve years!
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      toddfuller1 year, 6 months ago
      
      the dems have a huge hand in this administration guess who wrote the no child left behind act........ted kennedy
      i believe you when you say your mind doesnt work
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        EdInABQ1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Which may have been George Bush's only act of bipartisianism. I will be really happy to see the guy gone.
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        ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
        
        TODDFULLER:
        "guess who wrote the no child left behind act........ted kennedy."
        And guess who was responsible for underfunding the No Child Left Behind Act, dooming it to failure...George Bush Jr.
        Whose mind doesn't work again?
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        Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Guess who forgot to fund it.
        Republican Congress and Bush. They hailed it as their great legislation. But failed to provide funding for their mandates turning it into yet another worthless incompetent failure.
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        donald511 year, 6 months ago
        
        Dubya didn't forget to fund $425,000 of taxpayer monies to that Pundit Williams to talk highly of No Child - Clinton didn't even try this trick. But Dubya is funding those second hand scientists to debunk global warming and push creationism too! Impeach Dumya now!
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Which W based on a Texas-based initiative, the success of which, we later found, was being over-stated because the Texas schools were basically cooking the books.
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        MonkeyBiz1 year, 6 months ago
        
        They keep tweeking it and still haven't got it right. One of the original staunch advocates is now going around the state with an impassioned mea culpa speech.
        Teaching to the test is now all that teachers can do if they want to keep their jobs and the school's funding.
        I think that Texas neocons are trying to mess up public education so badly that vouchers will be the only "solution."
        
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Yeah. Privatization seems to be their holy grail.
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        donald511 year, 6 months ago
        
        that's sole source contract privatization without any audits - the repug Congress and Dubya way.
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Are we going to have Blackwater running schools, too, or just the private military?
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Are we going to
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        donald511 year, 6 months ago
        
        Texas also had to throw out their faith based initiatives initiated by Governor Dubya when 10 times the normal amount of abuse was found in the church based care centers. The more he touches the more that is messed up!
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        questionseverything1 year, 6 months ago
        
        the trouble with no child left behind is that they expect the spc ed kids to take the same tests as the reg kids...that way the neo cons know a school cant have every group pass the test,then they cut the funding,its all a set up to kill public education and if kennedy wrote it including that part then he is wrong too
        i live in a very conservative area but the papers have been full of teachers,parents,schoolboards explaining that the whole test thing is a set up to fail
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      tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
      
      Edin,
      The mere fact that you believe we are in a war we can't win, shows that you and people like you should have no place in power. Whatever happened to the attitude of win or die trying? Or failure is not an option? Does that sense of pride and self-worth have no place in the democratic party? How have we become "less secure"? When was the last attack on our soil? 2001? Yeah, and how many attacks took place on our soil during the last administration? Ten. So, if during the last administration we were attacked ten times and our response was nothing, and during this administration we were attacked once, went to war, and have had no prior attacks, how can we "less secure" now?
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        tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Allow me to correct my last line.
        So, if during the last administration we were attacked ten times and our response was nothing, and during this administration we were attacked once, went to war, and have had no more attacks, how can we be "less secure" now?
        
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        funatwork1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Pride is not worth dying for. Doing what is right for this nation and its citizens should be at the forefront not finishing an ill conceived fight on the basis of pride. It actually sickens me that you can write win or die trying when it is not your life which you are risking.
        As far as the less secure please pull your head out of the sand, there are more terrorists now our place in the world has slipped dramatically and dont get me started on the response was nothing remark. By the way you are aware that the number of terrorists involved in the 9/11 attack hailing from Iraq is exactly zero, so are you arguing that we should have stayed in Afghanistan and out of Iraq?
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        >>By the way you are aware that the number of terrorists involved in the 9/11 attack hailing from Iraq is exactly zero, so are you arguing that we should have stayed in Afghanistan and out of Iraq?
        I think he's saying we should've attacked Venezuala. We all know what a haven for terrorism that country is. And the yellow cake and aluminum tubes and Chavez calling W "the devil" and....
        
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        tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
        
        fun, are you aware the # of of 9/11 hijackers from Afghanistan was exactly zero? Does that mean we should have taken Clintons response and stayed away from there too? You libs get funnier everyday. As far as their being more terrorists in the world now, of course their are. Al qeada recruits too. Only they recruit with the help of cnn, and other "newscasts" that show them as being the victims. Just because their are more of them, does not mean we should just give up. It's actually the opposite. We need to fight harder to destroy this jihadists movement.
        Papa, I've already addressed you in the past. We all know your identity.
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        >>Papa, I've already addressed you in the past. We all know your identity.
        Boy, you don't know DIDDLY about me.
        And Clinton DID capture AND prosecute those involved w/the '93 WTC bombing. What has W done?
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      funatwork1 year, 6 months ago
      
      I wont even delve into your comments about the war because there is not enough time on the day but the comment at the end? What do you base this on? Its a fairly well known fact that the deficit spiked during the Reagan years and the economy was great during the Clinton years, the nation in fact had a surplus so Im curious how you come to near ruins? Oh and the national debt will not be going away anytime soon regardless of who is in the White House.
      O.K. one questions about the war, how are Democrats hampering our ability to win?
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        tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Any intelligent economist will tell you that at the end of the Clinton administration, we were headed straight for a recession. History has proven time and time again, that our economy is stronger when there is more money in the hands of the people, not the government.
        Ps, the dems are hampering our efforts to win by:
        A. Not funding our troops, by trying to pass a bill they know will be vetoed.
        B. Filling this bill with so much pork that any President would be stupid to pass it.
        C. Taking a vacation for two weeks instead of working out the differences in this bill.
        D. Nancy Pelosi's berka wearing trip to Syria.
        E. Having Charlie Rangle admit in an interview today that they filled this bill with this pork to pay back the lobbyist that got them elected.
        F. Having Charlie Rangle admit they wanted Bush to veto this bill, just to make him ouot to be a "bad guy".
        Take your freakin pick fun.
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    PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
    
    Are you kidding? We've heard nothing but "obstructionists" from the Reps when the Dems blocked confirmation on a handful of judges, completely ignoring the fact that the Reps refused to confirm DOZENS of Clinton appointees.
    ANY time over the past 6 years, even dating back to '94 when the Reps took over Congress, any time the Dems objected to legislation, the Reps screamed "OBSTRUCTIONISM!"
    
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      donald511 year, 6 months ago
      
      Did you see Orin Hatch (R-Utah?)threaten jailtime to the Alabama women who tried to provide input to the Senate Judiciary considerations of the Bush nominee, Alabama Attorney General Pryor? Hatch was livid that somone would provide negative info on a Bush nominee and disavowed the input. Dubya just appointed Pryor over a weekend break of Congress as opposed to the Session break allowing him to temporarily appoint for a year.
      It was like Sensenbrener (R-WI) walking out on the last day of Patriot Act testimony and turning all the mikes off on the Dems.
      Both cases of atrocious behavior were an CSPN - thank God for CSPAN! What Repugnant republicans!
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Didn't hear about Hatch. Heard about Sensenb, tho. Despicable. If Pelossi even THOUGHT about donig that, the Reps on here would get a rope.
        Heard an interview on democracy now, or Dianne Rheem, w/a Democratic congressman. He said that after the committee photo op, the Reps told him the wrong room & hid from him. When he finally found the room they were in, they hid behind the door. When he walked in, they all walked out.
        Very mature.
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    dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
    
    Spoken like a true Republican who suddenly fears being left out of the decision making much like THEY did to the Democrats for the past 12 years. NOW its becomes partisian bickering???
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      funatwork1 year, 6 months ago
      
      sorry to be replying to you but wow.
      read what you just wrote, and this is the second time you have done it, not a single fact whatsoever, even your post above didnt have actual facts just bold statements without any real substance. Why do I bother, 80% of the people that put their 2 cents in cant see past their party lines.
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        tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
        
        I guess that's the same thing you just did huh fun?
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      dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
      
      Ummm lets try and break this down for you since you seem to be posting from a script. It would help to match what you take from the script with what you are posting against. For example my post was my opinion of Maj's post. Now if you look at history, and I do mean from a credible source (not Faux or Conservepedia) it seems over the last 12 years the Republicans have used their majority in Congress (past tense in case you're questioning that too) to hold committe meetings without invitingthe Dems, to close down sessions of the Senate and House (Sensennbrenner crying and walking out with his gavel). And you claim it lacks fact?????? How detached from reality are you clowns?
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    rightfromwrong1 year, 6 months ago
    
    the dems could never be as bad as Bush and his cronies. Bush is a wimp hiding behind the U.S. military....that is why he wants to just bomb Iran. For the thugs pulling his strings and the big wig Jewish lobby
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      kedirian1 year, 6 months ago
      
      The really SAD thing (NOT realized by the majority of Americans)is that the response to 9/11 - hasty, if ANY preplanning of the "war to topple Saddam, loss of interest in the War on terror in Afghanistan, creating laws more closely resembling those of the Nazis, the testosterone-filled "Mission Accomplished (staged)spectacle when, then, only a few Americans had been killed, the thousands ofyoung Americans recklessly sacrificed AFTER playing to their patriotism to get them to enlist,and I could go on and on!- ALL these "responses" are TOTAlLY unfit for a Great Nation as ours!They more clearly fit a nervous and scared President and his cohorts who know they got to the WH thanks to judges and not to the people's voice.His obsession with CONTINUITY and CONSISTENCY in his policies clearly show his total lack of any conscience!
      This President and his Handler(s) - don't know who's the chief-handler, Cheney or Rove - have totally besmirched America's Good Name!
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        tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Then vote him out. Him, and everybody that voted for the war. All the dems included. Especially the ones that called for an action against Iraq, even before Bush did. But wait, woldn't that leave all your "great" liberals leaders out in the cold? Voted out because of their own hypocrisy. Man, wouldn't that be just great. Liberals holding liberals accountable for their own lies. Too bad it would never happen. There's no honor among theives.
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        dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Its always amazing how the right wing tends to omit important points from their posts. Like the Dems didn't vote for war they voted to allow BUSH to act when all other diplomatic means had been exhausted. AND they did that based on the doctored info Bush had supplied congress Bush invaded less then 2 weeks later, HARDLY after all diplomatic means had been exhausted.
        Now if we look at what was happening immediately prior to the declaration AND the invasion we find the inspectors declaring the Iraqi's are co=operatng AND there doesn't appear to be ANY WMD or programs to re-instate them. Dumya HAD to act quick since the inspectors were pretty much blowing his initial cover for the invasion. Why invade when there are NO WMD.
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    djn3nunez31 year, 6 months ago
    
    MajJohn
    The Democrats are getting even for the past 6 years.
    Try the past 14 years of Republican majority. The Republican have polarized this nation.
    
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  4cprocess1 year, 6 months ago
  
  From the story:
  "Democratic lawmakers expect to open new fronts against the president when they return from their spring recess, including politically risky efforts to quickly close the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; reinstate legal rights for terrorism suspects;"
  jordan11:
  I guess you agree that this is the way to get us back on track? If so, let's hope the CONS stay out of their way on this one.
  In God We Trust
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    PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
    
    The key word in this is "SUSPECTS." If you don't beleive that some of these terrorist suspects can be innocent, exactly how do you explain the multitude of CONVICTED death row inmates that have been FOUND INNOCENT over the past few years, and found that their basic rights were not respected?
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      4cprocess1 year, 6 months ago
      
      How many is a multitude? What exact numbers are you speaking of here? 1 out of 1,000, 2 out of 5,000. Please clarify your meaning of a multitude.
      The real key word here, which is missing is "American". Any terrorism suspect that is American is afforded these rights.
      Also what what you do with all the suspects at Gitmo? Just free them?
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        donald511 year, 6 months ago
        
        4, Check on the record of Cpt Yee, US Army, incarcerated in solitary confinement for 76 days all ressulting in no charges and his divorce!
        As for the guys at Gitmo, if our justice department and our military with supporting contractors, had done things correctly they should have well documented the detainees guilt at capture and through proper questioning. The Justice department has reviewed the Army manual to allow hearsay evidence to go in the manual - once again the failure to do the harder right in the Bush Administration succumbs to the easier wrong way. Then, to take habeas corpus away too, a foundation of western law for over 600 years, is just unconscionable!
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        HUNDREDS over the past few years with NO ONE convicted of anything. If they were TRULY dangerous terrorists, why would they be let go?
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      donald511 year, 6 months ago
      
      What if Iran chose right now to treat the 15 British detainees like we treat all those at Gitmo? Didn't McCain once warn of this eventuality... although Cheny has since had him on the rug over the definition of torture for the CIA and those former secret prisons overseas (the ones Condi denied but Dubya later admitted to).
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        tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Well considering the soldiers at gitmo are fed, clothed, given all the materials needed to pray according to their beliefs, I would prefer they were treated like the detainees at gitmo.
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        funatwork1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Sounds like a wonderful vacation spot, lets all go.
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        lfergie8121 year, 6 months ago
        
        "Well considering the soldiers at gitmo are fed, clothed, given all the materials needed to pray according to their beliefs,"
        That's what is called bare necessaries.
        "I would prefer they were treated like the detainees at gitmo."
        I can't believe you would want them tortured by waterboarding and other means used on the Gitmo detainees.
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