Impeachment Is 'More On The Table Than People Think' »
Posted by: Radiofreeeuropa 1 year, 4 months ago413 Comments Report this Story
Impeachment is a constitutional imperative, If we don't begin to talk about impeachment, the next president will be allowed to torture, do wiretapping, lying, and engage in manipulation of everything in signing statements.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 4 months ago
Don't Delay Impeach Today.
It is a beginning.
Let future generations know.
We think Bush & Cheney blow.
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cm_samuels1 year, 4 months ago
KICBOXSTALLION says, "IMPEACH BUSH NOW! *clap, clap*"
With the Blood & Treasure of our country, we are allowing Iraq the first real opportunity at freedom that those people and all of their ancestors have ever had.
With no /evidence/ in your hand your call for Impeachment is feeble, compared to our Presidents call to let freedom ring.
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NoSpinDave1 year, 4 months ago
blah, blah, blah, blah.....cant you people get something new to talk about..... Blah, blah, blah, blah....
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ProudBlueTexan1 year, 4 months ago
So tell us, where is justice in this so-called nation of laws if bushCo is not held accountable for its crimes?
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elel1 year, 4 months ago
I really do not understand why this is an issue. With all that has transpired within this Administration, there should be no issue, impeachment should be expected. For all my years of being politically apathetic, I have never seen such a Presidency, consciously divide his country so much.
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buddyb1 year, 4 months ago
Karl Rove has "pick pocketed" constitutional rights from the very people who elected Bush. If these people can't figure it out at this point, they don't deserve freedom. The constitutional safeguards, which were instituted by our forefathers, have been blocked or eliminated. People SHOULD EXPECT AND DEMAND impeachment.
Pelosi and her bunch know what the people want....and she knows what needs to be done....impeachment. We're watching you Pelosi. Get to work!
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ProudBlueTexan1 year, 4 months ago
They deserve to be held to the same letter of the law bush used as governor. That would only be fair, right?
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brothers1 year, 4 months ago
Impeach Pelosi as well. She was all talk before and still is. Don't expect any changes just because the Dems are in. They will follow the carrot on a stick just like the rest of them. Inpeach them all and start a new party called The American Party of the United States and keep a good on them as well.
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el-jefe1 year, 4 months ago
I think you're missing one very fundamental point here. Impeachment is reserved by the Constitution for "High Crimes and Misdemeanors".
Dividing the country is not an impeachable offense.
Following a law passed by congress, even one later ruled to be unconstitutional, is not an impeachable offense.
Running the country so that it has a bad reputation overseas is not an impeachable offense.
Being arrogant is not an impeachable offense.
Allowing government contractors to make profits on government contracts is not an impeachable offense.
As of the time of this posting, that's every specific charge that's been leveled in this thread. Impeaching for any one of them would be a step toward ending freedom and democracy in this country.
You don't like the administration? Good! There's a remedy for that. It's called an election. We have one every four years.
If you can't convince a plurality of the minority who actually vote in this country to throw them out...
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ConquerorWyrm1 year, 4 months ago
I do not believe "High Crimes and Misemeanors" are specifically defined anywhere leaving interpetation to such relavent to the time period in which the issue is raised. If you remember (as so many do so fondly) the impeachment of Pres. Clinton. He was impeached for 'lying' under oath to Congress. What is not ever acknowledged by those how think that was a wonderful day in America is, under what circumstances was that impeachement wrought? Bill Clinton's 'high crime' was lying about sex...a lie produced after years of fishing and hunting for an excuse, any excuse...a lie produced which was in no way connected, not even through bizarre twists of imagination, to the original hunt (whitewater...a dry well). It was produced because perverts (the only name applicable to people so concerned about others sex lives) like Newt & Starr (& the GOP) were able to find an unrelated & embarrassing rumor that, if Clinton were under oath, would be scandalous.
There was no crime!
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NoSpinDave1 year, 4 months ago
Great post El Jefe! Too bad these people cant get any of that through their thick skulls.
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ConquerorWyrm1 year, 4 months ago
Insofar as our Leader (Ger. trans: Fuhrer) (oh, remember before you get angry, that this is what Bush has repeatitively refered to himself as) and his possible High Crimes...let's look at your list...
Dividing the country - Phrased that way, perhaps...I think this needs revisiting at the end...
Following a law passed by Congress...- What about not following laws passed by Congress? That is an impeachable offense. What laws? Well, to start, any and all of those to which he has placed a 'signing statement' to which excludes either him or his flunkies from the content of the Law. No President, as Servent to the Constitution, has that right, power or ability. Therein impeachable offenses lie.
Running the country so...bad...- Really? Isn't incompetance excuse to fire an employee? Isn't criminal incompetance (such as the Katrina fiasco) a direct call for termination of employment? Remember, Bush is OUR employee...we are NOT his subjects.
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ConquerorWyrm1 year, 4 months ago
Being arrogant...- Who's the Boss? The President or the People? Now, let's examine that arrogance... I would call that height of that arrogance the issuance of both 'signing statements' and 'executive orders'. The first has been used both quietly and overtly to shield this Administration from laws passed by Congress as noted before. This is criminal arrogance in that it seperates our Leader (fuhrer) from the Law and places him beyond it. The issuance of 'executive orders' also crosses this bound. It assumes that the President has Empirical powers to declare Law. That, if you know your Constitution, is not the purvue of the Executive branch. That is the lot of Congress. It is for the President to either sanction or disprove (with possiblility of over-rule), not to craft or decree. For a President to assume such arrogance and place it in action is to violate both the spirit and letter of our Constitution. That is a High Crime.
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MonkeyBiz1 year, 4 months ago
Your list is correct as far as it goes, however you left out a few that ARE impeachable offenses.
1. Violating the FISA act
2. Mass Violations of the fourth amendment.
3. Violating the Geneva Convention (as a signatory, we are constitutionally obligated by Article VI).
4. Unlawfully suspending Habeas Corpus.
5. The dust has yet to settle, but there is an awful lot of smoke leading to an obstruction of justice firestorm in the recent firings of some US Attorneys.
6. A case could also be made that lying to the public and congress is an impeachable offense.
This list is hardly complete, but take your pick and get on with it.
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ConquerorWyrm1 year, 4 months ago
Allowing gov. contractors to rape the public till...- Yes, this is a crime and a very serious one. Allow me to detail...
This money is OUR money. This money, when appropriated, is appropriated for the purposes it is assigned to. It is expected that any contractor who successfully wins a bid for government work to add to the cost their profit. That is expected and right.
What is not right is for a skewed acceptance process for contract approval limiting to contracts to 'connected' (as in companies formerly or currently connected financially to members of the Administration), eliminating the bidding process, removing all oversight and regulation of these Public monies and assisting in the obfuscation of where these monies are dispersed and used.
Remember, these are Public monies. The laws and the rules of the game call for open and fair bidding. If that is compromised, crimes are committed.
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ConquerorWyrm1 year, 4 months ago
Those are the four issues you raised and dismissed...
oh, wait, I forgot...was going to get back to 'dividing the country'...
When such divisions are done with Federal force behind them such as forcibly impoverishing the middle class through the Alternative Minimum Tax (part of that phoney 'tax cut' which was really a 'tax shift')...
When such divisions are done by speaking not as a President of the Country, but as a President to the People who Voted for him and doing so openly and disdainfully...
When, through his administration's bullying in concert with co-conspirators in the Congress silence illegally (and if not that, in contradiction to our Congressional history) the minority party to the degree that they can't even hold a meeting and are effectively disenfranchised...
In such cases, yes, dividing a country against itself and against it's Laws is an impeachable offense.
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ConquerorWyrm1 year, 4 months ago
Furthermore, as MonkeyBiz pointed out, there are other issues as well which, while 'As of the time of this posting' they might not have yet been listed, I think you need to respond to them as they come should your post remain hopeful of keeping it's credibility.
Those are (in ever growing list)...
FISA violations
Treaty violations (Geneva...remember, a treaty IS LAW and willful violation of such IS criminal)
Suspension of Habeus Corpus
Bill of Rights violations (not just 4th...but those 'free speech zones'...I thought America WAS one big 'free speech zone')
Lying under oath - Remember, he took an Oath of Office upon swearing in as President. Therefor, ALL his actions as President until the completion of his term are held accountable under that oath. If he breaks faith or lies to decieve his employers (you and me), he breaks his oath and 'lies under oath'.
Finally, it's my understanding that 'removal of meritous persons' was the 1st thing brought up historicall as impeachable.
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