Dems drop Iraq timetable, but White House rejects deal »
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The Democrats, in a meeting with Bush's top aides on Capitol Hill, said they would strip from a war spending bill billions of dollars in domestic spending that the White House had opposed. They also pledged to give Bush authority to waive compliance with a timetable to pull combat troops out of Iraq. But no agreement emerged.
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TechnologyExpert1 year, 3 months ago
Like I said yesterday, it looks like the word compromise = unconditional surrender to Bush.
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populist1 year, 3 months ago
yup, and the democrat politicians to me = spineless. or was that traitor?
these people have been complicit since day one. All they do is grandstand, and pretend to be on the right side, but the reality is this...
a large percentage of the democrats voted with the neo-cons to start the war, to approve every single funding bill to continue the war, and now, they can't even vote for a non-binding withdrawal date. I don't really care what their excuse is. If they don't show some courage to end this war, they shouldn't be in office. period.
In my opinion, they're either totally complicit in the crimes of the Bush administration, or they're so weak that they're completely ineffective.
Either way, they don't deserve to lead this country.
The Time to get out of Iraq is now.
"Top-10 Reasons to Get out Now"
http://www.populistamerica.com/top_ten_reasons_...
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
And what would you have the Democrats do since they don't have the 2/3rd's majority to override a veto? As long as the Republicans side with Bush, the Democrats would have to stop funding completely or start impeachment proceedings which would be useless because they don't have the 2/3rd's in the Senate to remove them. I think the Democrats should pass the same bill and send it back again and if he vetoes the bill again, it's his fault that the troops don't have the money. The Democrats are showing the willingness to compromise but Bush isn't.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
Stop whining, lfergie...You sound like a girl. The Dems have the majority of both the House and the Senate and they've managed to accomplish nothing...They knew where Bush and most Americans stand on this issue, but they continued to push the "timetable" crap...Meanwhile, are troops have gone without for over 100 days because the majority Dems can't get their act together...
It is THEIR fault that they do not have the funding, not Bush's...77 Senators voted to send our troops to Iraq and now they continue to show their true coward colors by recanting on their votes and claiming that this war is loss...They're the disgrace to America...Just ask the troops over there, lfergie....I mean, how many of them would agree with Harry Reid and Pelosi in cutting off funding to them ? How many, lfergie?
Just what I thought....All talk and no action...I hope you're girlfriend isn't listening...
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jordan111 year, 3 months ago
Stop whining, lfergie...You sound like a girl. The Dems have the majority of both the House and the Senate and they've managed to accomplish nothing>>>>
I'm a girl, and I don't whine. You're acting like a jerk. Fergie is correct. The f***ing CONS in the Senate are stopping everything the House has passed. Without votes to override that SOB in the white house, there's nothing democrats can do. And YOU are a typical CON trying to deflect from that FACT. YOU & the rest of the morons in this nation caused this GD mess by voting that piece of crap into power.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
Yep. Sure did. ANd proud of it...
Just not proud of you and you stupid libs who continue to handcuff our troops, claiming to be FOR THE TROOPS, but against the war...Yep. Cutting off funding, seems to be a good indicator for being FOR THE TROOPS...Don't you think ? I'm sure the troops would appreciate having no body armor or artillery to finish the job...You dipchits claimed that you wanted to work with Bush, remember Pelosi and her pathetic "let's work together" speech ? YOu guys have done nothing with your majority power, nothing but hurt America and our troops...
Get lost, girlie...
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RedstateLib1 year, 3 months ago
FSU I swear you cannot really be a grad. If you are an example of how FSU grads conduct themselves they need to close the school. Tell the truth you drove rode the school on a garbage truck one day and came up with the screen name.
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mivan41 year, 3 months ago
No, He ment to offend a sanitation worker and maybe the sanitation worker is a Grad too; that understands Why Bush wont compromise on a timeline. Probably they were hauling a load of LIB trash to the Dump on the way to school. Anyway I wonder if a Democrat was the sitting President if the Democrats would force a Timeline on him if he didn't want it. The question here should not be a political thing; but what is best for the Nation.
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ybdogsct1 year, 3 months ago
MIVAN4:
"The question here should not be a political thing; but what is best for the Nation."
And exactly how is the Iraq war "best" for us?
The Iraq war increased the number of terrorists worldwide as Al Qaeda uses the Iraq war as a cause celebre for recruitment.
http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/wdc/...
In fact, according to the State Dept, global terrorism has INCREASED by 25%.
http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/694...
The troop shortage resulted in a stop loss policy, extension of tours of duty, and a reduction of vacation between tours.
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_...
Meanwhile, Iraq has diverted manpower, and firepower from Afghanistan.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/11/terro...
NATO even rejected a request for more troops in Afghanistan citing "other commitments."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?st...
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
Well, I will say this for ya...At least you have the "kohonas" to call yourself a lib...Most in here claim they aren't or "I'm moderate"...Please...
And yes, Red, I am a graduate...'92 to be exact...Where did you graduate ? Ridgemont High ? DUDEEEEE! Narrrr-ally...Totally awesome, bogus, dude ! FER SUREEEEE!
Any more stupid comments from the left ?
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
I've read FSU's comments and he is no RHODES Scholar. You're insulting the Rhodes Scholar and you have the audacity to say RedstateLib insulted sanitation workers. LMAO
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AntiNeoCon1 year, 3 months ago
I think FSUgrad is the f00 that created that horrible indian chant the FSU football team uses when they get beat. They rewarded him with an honorary degree and booted him out after he learned how to spell FSU. :)
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jordan111 year, 3 months ago
Yep. Sure did. ANd proud of it...>>>>>
Well of course you are! You're a fool, and that's what fools do.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
Says who... you, jordan?
I could care less what YOU think..Liberals don't thing, that's the problem with you guys..
I look forward to beating your pathetic liberal a$$ in the presidential race in '08...
Go Giuliani ! OR Romney ! Not sure just yet...I hope ole Newt runs...
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
Let's see Giuliani. The one that was for partial birth abortion before he was against it.
And Romney. Hey he might be alright because Mormons believe in having more than one wife which would solve the problem of all the republicans that divorced their wives when they found a cute sweetie. Men like Newt Gingrich, Bob Dole, Rudy Giuliani, ah hell you read the story for yourself.
http://www.thinkingliberal.com/the_free_radical...
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
yep...Giuliani who literally turned NY around...Got rid of crime on the streets, got 600,000 people off of welfare, was governing officer when 9/11 hit...I think that would qualify him to protect our country and understands what are enemy can do to us...What's Obama done, besides having a name that rhymes with Osama?
Funny you should take shots at Romney on his religion...I believe Harry Reid is a mormon, is that ALSO a problem for you, fergie ?
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
Take a shot at Romney on religion?? Did I or did I not speak the truth about Mormons?
Before
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALDfwXIYUX0
After
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfnDLA32xME&mode...
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ybdogsct1 year, 3 months ago
FSU:
"governing officer when 9/11 hit...I think that would qualify him to protect our country"
Only an unapologetic ideologue would crown Giuliani a hero after 9/11 happened on HIS watch. In fact, the NYC firefighters--the TRUE HEROES of 9/11--don't see Giuliani as a hero at all.
http://firefightingnews.com/article-US.cfm?arti...
"the egregious acts Mayor Giuliani committed against our members, our fallen on 9/11, and our New York City union officers following that horrific day....His actions post 9/11 rise to such an offensive and personal attack on our brother and sisterhood â;; and directly on our union â;; that the IAFF does not feel Rudy Giuliani deserves an audience of IAFF leaders and members at our own Presidential Forum. The disrespect that he exhibited to our 343 fallen FDNY brothers, their families and our New York City IAFF leadership in the wake of that tragic day has not been forgiven or forgotten."
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
jordan
Please don't bring up the dictionary to FSU. He'll have to look up every word and we might miss out on his wit and humor.
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mivan41 year, 3 months ago
I can't always count on one of ya'll for a laugh. Can't ?; ya'll ? For one casting stones, you would think; you would at least get your part right! ROFlmao!
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
I doubt he would touch a lib dictionary or have one near him. I fact I would bet he does have a dictionary.
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libsRfunny1 year, 3 months ago
"I could care less what YOU think..Liberals don't thin[k], that's the problem with you guys.."
Ah, don't bother wasting your time arguing with inane Netscape liberals. Their idea of a "compromise" is Dems voting for a troop withdrawal timetable but "allowing" the commander in chief to ignore it.
That's just plain goofy! Ah, funny, silly liberals. lol
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
I told you already, loverboy...I will join the military when you move your sorry liberal butt over to Iraq and Iran and practice your liberalism there...Maybe get in front of OBL himself and tout that you're not happy with his treatment of women and the way he tries to convert or force everyone to practice Islam or else...Try not to lose your head, loverboy...
LOL !!! Geez, I crack myself up...
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
Coward. You're just an armchair chicken hawk that talks a good war as long as someone else fights it for you. ROFLMAO
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
And you're a traitor..turning you back on America and your own military bretheren..
How pathetic is that ?
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toronto1141 year, 3 months ago
Very pathetic. I would rather have someone supporting me during a time of war than have someone undercutting my mission.
The troops aren't stupid, they see who the real cowards in America are.
They are lucky to live in a country where there are brave people to stand up for the freedoms they, the weak, enjoy.
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
toronto with a Canadian maple leaf as a avatar. How are you involved in getting money from the US when you would be in the Canadian military? Are you a Canadian in the US army? There is nothing that I have said tonight that has indicated that I don't support the troop. Asking the troops to babysit a country that is in a civil war is not supporting the troops. Quite the opposite I believe.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
They're NOT in civil war, Mr. Sky-is-falling...We leave, and they WILL be. It's that simple...Turn off the CNN and get a life.
Asking the troops to leave, before the job is complete is mass suicide and waves a white flag at the enemy...You, out of all people, should understand that, Mr. Ex-military man..
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
You call it what you want but when the north fought the south in the USA, it was brother against brother and we called it a civil war. The Sunni and the Shia are fighting each other and that's a civil war. Just because the cons can't see that doesn't change the fact. It's a civil war.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
The conditions are there for a civil war which is why we should stay and train the Iraqi soldiers and Border Patrol agents and make sure they are ready...Otherwise, all would be loss, which is exactly what you and the rest of the libs want to happen...Cause that would mean more egg on Bush's face and you guys could point the finger and blame Bush for failing in Iraq...You've chose a side...It's just the side you've chosen is to lose this war and leave in defeat..
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
Because, as I have said numerous times, this isn't a civil war...Just because NBC called it one, don't make it one...But if we leave, there WILL be one...Guranteed. That is why they should stay and see this thing to completion, otherwise there WILL be a civil war, another thug like Saddam will take control of Iraq and will be in the crosshairs of yet ANOTHER country...YOu guys complain about how much money this war is costing us, not to mention precious lives...If we leave before the mission is completed, all that money...all those lives were for nothing...
live with THAT one, fergie...
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
As I've said numerous times is that if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, it's a duck. Call it a religious war if you like but it's a civil war between two Iraqi sects.
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Sabretooth1 year, 3 months ago
Pay no attention Fergie, Canada has its own share of cowards who support sending others to die so they do not have to. Toronto is one of these cowards who expects others to fight for him in a cause he supposedly believes in. I pity him living in fear and with such hate for an enemy he cannot even find.
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JasonVA1 year, 3 months ago
Sabretooth,
You aren't even an American citizen. Why are you even involving yourself so deeply in American politics? Reality check. In America, you have NO voice. I would expect you to feel the same if I started ranting about Canadian politics.
You also say that people are cowards for not going off to war for their views. Tell me, what combat zone or peace march are you currently serving in for your views?
If all you are doing is mouthing off on Netscape, then you aren't changing a friggin' thing in the world. Cowardice? Judging YOU by YOUR standards, look in the mirror.
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Sabretooth1 year, 3 months ago
When you learn to mind your own business rather then invading countries that did not attack you then perhaps i will not feel the need to comment here. Since i am a citizen of the world you are set on screwing up i feel i have a right to comment, if you do not like that feel free to invade my country and i will do my level best to end your occupation also. Well, not yours since i am sure you would be sitting at home on your computer and expecting someone else to go fight for you as you are doing now. I fear you about as much as i fear a terrorist invasion.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
toronto114,
lfergie is ex-military..can you believe it ? I would be ashamed to have this guy fight next to me...I mean, I certainly appreciate his service to our country, but his thinking is a bit warped...And I know many military folks disagree with his and many others thinking on the subject of Iraq and what we should do...
There are some other ex-military folks that I talked to regulary at Libscape that do not see eye-to-eye with lfergie...I think the only one who does see eye-to-eye with fergie is Osama himself...
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
Personally I don't give a damn what you think because when I say you're an armchair chicken hawk it comes from the heart.
You're very wrong about how people feel about this conflict because "some military men" is about as vague as one gets. Republicans that were in the military might agree with you but the Democrats that were there don't so don't give me the BS about what Osama thinks unless you know him personally.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
And I don't give a damn what YOU think either...And believe me, when I call you a traitor...That's from the heart, too, brother..
Then don't give me YOUR crap about how you "know what the military thinks", because you don't speak for the military...You honestly don't know crap...Just because you have a few loser friends who are in the military and are disgruntled because the actually have to work for their money and its not just a joyride a free college tuition, that's too bad...They signed up and knew that they might be called to action. A few bad apples doesn't represent the whole military and how they feel...There are too many stories of GOOD military people that believe this war needs to be won and they want to have the opportunity to finish their mission and come home with their head's held high...
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
And don't give that crap that you know what the military thinks because you haven't been there. Loser.
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Sabretooth1 year, 3 months ago
FU, you would not have to worry about fighting next to anyone since you have not the courage to go fight, your idea of support the troops is by saying on netscape that you do. Wow, that really helps the mission. Perhaps you could name some of these ex military whom support you, since your word is not so good around here.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
sabre-
Please help me understand how "cowardly" refers to someone who believes we should stay, train the Iraqi police force and border patrol agents to protect themselves without the need for American intervention, and finish the mission by liberating Iraq..
How is that cowardly, compared to YOU, sabre, wanting to cut and run before the job is complete? Or cutting off funding to our troops when you voted to send them over there in the first place ?
Please help me understand the difference here because I'm a little confused...
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
Well, there you go again. There is nothing in my post that says that I am turning my back on the troops. Quite the contrary. I'm supporting the troop by trying to make the case that they should be brought home out of harms way. Only a true traitor would want the troops to fight a war for them to have gas for their vehicle why they sit at home and make the safe easy money while pushing for someone else to fight for them. Now that is pathetic.
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
"And your to cowardly"
Hey FSU dropout. the correct wording here is "And you're too cowardly" You're as in you are and too as "to an excessive extent or degree; beyond what is desirable, fitting, or right:(as in) too sick to travel."
Don't thank me because I'm sure you might have been sick that day and missed that. Now go call someone else an idiot.
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
He sounds like a parrot that has been too close the the TV when O'Reilly was on. LMAO
Good night and take care.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
lfergie,
Isn't that their job ? To protect our freedom? To serve and protect, if I recall correctly is the military's decree...And last I checked,lfergie, it is an all voluntary military...Nobody forced them in...Many wounded and mamed have actually volunteered to go back for a 2nd or 3rd tour, so don't give me your crap about "sitting back and letting someone else fight for me"...They KNOW what's at stake, too bad your stupid a$$ doesn't...You sit and claim to be for the troops but agree with people like Harry Reid who claim that the "war is loss"..Again, please tell me and the American people how that helps our troops? Or how does it help embolden our enemies to kill more of us ? Tell me that...
I can't believe you call yourself military...You disgust me.
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
Yes, that's their job to protect our freedom but Iraq was not a threat to us. That was faulty ( I call it selective) intelligence by the Bush gang to dupe the American people into believing that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
Read my previous post about what I think about what you think of me. Anyone that would want someone else to do their fighting for them doesn't get my respect but I'm sure that doesn't bother you.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
lfergie,
I am done with you. YOu are the dumbest person I have not had the pleasure of talking to...77 friggin' Senators voted to send our troops over to Iraq. A lot of them were Democrats. The intelligence told us Saddam WAS a threat and had WMD's...He used them before and there was clear evidence he had them...Even David Kay commented that the WMD's could have easily have been moved to Syria and buried in millions of acres of desert..Nobody duped anybody. EVERYBODY was duped, but you and the other ignorant libs in here want a whipping post and Bush is it..So, try dealing with your hatred...go for a walk, get a dog or something to work off your anger issues...But Bush isn't it...
You're hopeless...
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
"I am done with you. "
Thank you. Best
"YOu are the dumbest person I have not had the pleasure of talking to.."
Well what do expect. Einstein would have seem dumb to you because you wouldn't understand what he was saying either.
Every thing that Bush showed congress was selective intelligence that he picked to prove a case for military action against Saddam and it was all false. That's why they kept changing the reason for being in Iraq. But hey, if you live long enough you might understand like a teenager finds out his parents weren't so dumb when he had kids of his own.
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dunkirk1 year, 3 months ago
I think FSU is losing it. He's rambling more and more and making less and less sense. I think this has happened to him......
http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemi...
Scary but it looks like true.
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dunkirk1 year, 3 months ago
ROFLMAO, why JoBo I believe your obsessed by me. Following my posts around, using the same attempt at humor each time. Tends to happen tho I guess when I slapped you silly on some of your posts. Now JoBo, Im straight so you can chase after some of your right winger friends who are into that.
Altho could this really be the life story of JoBo?
http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemi...
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joeeddie1 year, 3 months ago
Actually, little dunkirk, it is a case of the hunted becoming the hunter. I'll remind you that you attacked me first since your selective memory has kicked in again. Slapped me silly, huh - ROFLMAO!!! And again you PROVE your ignorance and hatred by using these words -
"Im straight so you can chase after some of your right winger friends who are into that"
I think it's really funny for an avowed liberal to exhibit traits of homophobia.
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bigG1 year, 3 months ago
You are such a kitty FSU since I have on more than one occasion asked you to enlist and fight this war you so strongly believe in. If you aren't at boot camp then you are the little whiny kitty I believe you to be.Just another chicken hawk.
The bigG has tried in the past to be civil with people of your ilk, but no more. I intend on hammering every lily livered weasel like you every time you talk positively about this bs war of preference.
Go ahead, come on here and spew that sewage out of your facial anus, and I will be on you like the proverbial.
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toronto1141 year, 3 months ago
Awww...... Poor little far left Liberals can't get even their own Democrat elected officials to listen to them.
Is it because you may be the majority here on Netscape, but a minority in the United States?
Truth hurts, huh?
You guys should send a letter to your elected Democrats in this fashion.
Senator Clinton,
Waaa Waaaa Waaaa Waaa Waaaa!
Waaa Waaaa Waaaa Waaa Waaaa!
Sincerely,
Netscape Idiots
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
Our Democrats are listening to us. End this stupid conflict in Iraq.
"Netscape Idiots"
Waaaa Waaaa Waaaa in your own soup.
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PatrioticAmerican1 year, 3 months ago
hahahahaha telu s what you are really thinking jordan im not sure i understand how you feel on this issue lol
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Skeptic1 year, 3 months ago
Yep, and when the Dems were the minority party in the Senate, they stopped legislation with the filibuster. Payback is a bitch, isn't it?
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
"The Dems have the majority of both the House and the Senate and they've managed to accomplish nothing."
You're wrong. They have accomplished the one thing that we all knew they would when we voted for them. We stopped the rubber stamp republican congress that existed before the first of the year.
"It is THEIR fault that they do not have the funding, not Bush's."
That's a lie but you can't see that for the blinders you wear. All Bush has to do is approve the plan to withdraw and he has the money. Either compromise or STFU. The biggest disgrace to America is the idiots in the White House that doesn't know how to negotiate a peaceful settlement to the conflict that exist in Iraq. What a disgrace this administration has been to the American people.
If you had any courage about you you would have joined when the WTC fell.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
"That's a lie but you can't see that for the blinders you wear. All Bush has to do is approve the plan to withdraw and he has the money"
Blinders? Hmmm..You might want to look in the mirror. Bush isn't going to sign anything that is going to put more innocent Iraqi people in bodybags..Sorry. You dumb libs are too dense to see the "ripple" effect by giving our enemy a timetable for withdrawal..I cannot believe you are that stupid, that you do not understand the potential negative impact that would have on the Iraqi citizens..Do you care ? I mean, you libs always talk so tough about "human rights" and being the party of "Human Rights"...I just thought maybe you would like knowing that if you pull this stupid move or Bush OK's what the Dems are shovelin', you might as well sign 100 thousand Iraqi death certificates...
Hope you can live with that, lfergie...
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
I thought that was pretty funny. Of course people that are the blunt of the joke never see humor in the joke. LOL
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
"Bush isn't going to sign anything that is going to put more innocent Iraqi people in bodybags"
LMAO Now you're trying to be the comedian. Bush doesn't give a damn about those people in Iraq. Who the hell are you trying to kid. There's only one thing in Iraq that he cares about and that's the oil. Too bad that he didn't get the deal he wanted passed by the Iraqi government. They voted to honor the preexisting contracts so Bush's plan backfired. What a dope.
People with more knowledge than you disagree with you about the deaths in Iraq if we leave. They say that if America leaves, the Iraqis will stop fighting and force the Al Quaeda from their country. You cons won't listen to anyone that doesn't parrot your point of view.
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Sabretooth1 year, 3 months ago
FU, i think Fox would also want you to mention that they will follow you home if you leave, you forgot that part of your brainwashing little man. Too bad you do not have the courage to fight this battle of out time, i can only suspect you are a coward since you turn your back on your country when it needs you. I suppose if there was a draft i would be seeing you at the Canadian border where you would be supporting your troops by leaving the country to safety.
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ABANOCLA1 year, 3 months ago
Then why don't the dems send up a funding bill without all kinds of garbage attached to it then, like the largest tax increase in US history hooked onto it, if they care so much?
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Veritatis1 year, 3 months ago
lfergie812,
Without taking sides here, I just want to say one thing.
At the start of the Iraq War, Democrats, across the board, said YES to doing it!
Then, LOUD AND CLEAR, Democrats gave a message to the World, and to the IRAQI'S FIGHTING OUR SOLDIERS
"HANG ON LONGER IRAQ and YOU CAN WIN BY DEFAULT!"
To me, that is nothing short of BEING TRAITORS
And NOW, we repeatedly hear Democrats calling the war lost and doing everything they can to stop it.
All that does is KEEP GIVING THE SAME MESSAGE
"HANG ON LONGER IRAQ and YOU CAN WIN BY DEFAULT!"
Is anyone still confused about who is "behind our troops" and "who the traitors are", selling them out?
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Ratskii1 year, 3 months ago
Hmmm, without taking sides, that's pretty funny. Do you have any idea who we are fighting, what the different factions are, what is really going on? You sound like you're just repeating Rush Limbaugh one liners. Just a little while ago the chickhawks (look up Rush's service records -- he never served) were saying the only resistance was in Baghdad. Then they were saying Iran was shipping weapons to insurgents (clue--Iran is Shi'a, that would mean they are giving weapons to the majority. Al Qaeda is Sunni and attacks the Shi'a side). So who are we fighting? All of them maybe?
Here's another clue, if you're really willing to look into the facts over there: Most of the native insurgent Iraqi's think we don't intend to leave at all. If we announce a time table that might actually save the lives of some of our troops and get the different sides of the insurgency (civil war) to sit down at the table with each other and us. Might not, but it's worth a try.
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Sabretooth1 year, 3 months ago
Veritatis, just because you would give up if a country came in and changed out Bush and then occupied America for a couple of years does not mean the Iraqis will also.
By the way, how come i did not see any of you cons posting yesterday about the troops getting a raise, i saw no outrage from any con. Strange for people who claim to support the troops.
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
Veritatis
Take a little time and read the authorization for the use of military force of October 2002 and take note that Bush was suppose to exhaust all UN options before using the force. Bush side stepped the UN and invaded without using diplomacy. Quote:
"Was the Iraq War legal, or illegal, under international law?"
And The World's Most Authoritative Answer Is ... Among the world's foremost experts in the field of international law, the overwhelming jurisprudential consensus is that the Anglo-American invasion, conquest, and occupation of Iraq constitute three phases of one illegal war of aggression. Unquote
Hey thanks for not taking sides though. ROFLMAO
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Shirtless1 year, 3 months ago
Here is what the Democratic majority should do: Since Bush vetoed the bill with a withdrawal deadline, they should pass another bill, with a shorter withdrawal deadline. If he vetoes that, they should pass a third bill, requiring immediate withdrawal. And they should serve notice that none of the rich Republican pet projects will be passed until he signs the bill providing for the immediate withdrawal of the troops from Iraq. If he fails to do that, and the troops have no funding, it will be the arrogant moron from Texas who caused it, not the Congress. People will catch on and demand that he sign the bill. He always caves in under public pressure. Ask "Brownie," Harriet, and Wolfowitz, if you do not believe me.
But will the Democrats do this? Perhaps not. They are nothing but a bunch of left-wing, radical perverts beholden to the likes of Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, and special interest groups.
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Natureboy1 year, 3 months ago
or maybe compromise = we figure we have gratified our "liberal" support base so we can go ahead now and do what we intended from the start.
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Twistoflex1 year, 3 months ago
Congress might as well be a bowl of mush. Despite overwhelming evidence of Constitutional infirmities and gross transgressions committed by the Dumbya dictatorship, this Congress has a zero record for taking any corrective actiion. Consequently, it is a criminal accessory after the fact.
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