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Posted By trnscndr 1 year, 4 months ago in NewsSenate Doing Nothing Becomes Grand Consolation: Is the Immigration Reform Bill Just Playing Dead? If we are not careful will it come back to bite us silently in the night? Will we bite back if it does?
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1)Of all my political tenets the one I know to be true is that emotional politicians who ignore logic are enemies of the state ...
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lvrofwolves1 year, 4 months ago
Is there a limit on amount of times a bill can be re-introduced? I mean god! are we really going to have to worry about this forever? looks pretty much like most Americans pulled together and agreed on this issue- How many times will they 're-word' it, and try and pass it off as a good solution? for all those who contacted their congress etc...I imagine feel like they were finally heard on something that is important. FINALLY!
To re-introduce, or change the wording slightly or whatever is an insult and shows they weren't listening to us.
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trnscndr1 year, 4 months ago
In this case, the vote is less important than the lack of vocal opposition. The American people will assume someone supported the bill if they did not speak out against it. 2008 is going to be an incumbent slaughter as a result. Luckily for the Dems in Senate, few Dems are up for reelection compared to GOP, but the House is going to see a lot of new faces.
Many in the congress think the people will not blame them as the bill never made it to the House, but people are not so sophisticated. They will blame them all.
Some of the most notable failures to vocally oppose the bill have been among black legislators; as their black constituents see them as traitors for this particular case of liberalism that opposes their labor value.
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trnscndr1 year, 4 months ago
Obama and Clinton in particular refuse to go on record on the issue. Others are hoping you will be happy just that they didn't vocally support it. I am only satisfied with vocal opposition. The rest is political gamesmanship of the worst order.
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jovial1 year, 4 months ago
As I said on another post. We need to secure our borders. That is a bipartisan issue. Let's start with that. Build a wall, set up a barrier, put troops on the border. Whatever it takes to secure our borders from Maine to Washington, and from California to Texas and Florida. Then and only after that has been accomplished can we tackle the illegals that are already here. This problem is to big to handle with a comprehensive bill. We have to work with the things we already have consensus on and push it through. A bill with no earmarks, no pork. The executive has to pull there behinds out of Iraq and use some of that money to protect our borders. We spend more time and money protecting Iraqi and Afghanistan borders than we do our own. The law was passed to start erecting a fence. Executive get with it. Congress start the next phase. Secure our borders!
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trnscndr1 year, 4 months ago
We wouldn't need a fence if they prosecuted even 10 employers this week, who are easy to find and easy to prove they knew they were hiring illegals.
The govt. refuses to turn off the magnet and until that happens, they will pole vault over the tallest fence if necessary.
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jovial1 year, 4 months ago
That's something we can do simultaneously. Either way our American Budget is stretched to thin right now by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. How can we insist that the government provide more money for anything with out raising taxes? Something has got to give. We can either fight them over there (sic), or secure ourselves over here. We can't have both, because we don't have the money.
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stephen-johnson1 year, 4 months ago
"We need to secure our borders. That is a bipartisan issue. This problem is to big to handle with a comprehensive bill. We have to work with the things we already have consensus on and push it through. A bill with no earmarks, no pork"
I was getting my hopes up that congress would listen to that kind of message until I saw the last sentence
The fact that the senate would even consider such a bill shows how little regard they have for the issue of homeland security
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Amazing11 year, 4 months ago
We need to make sure that there is movement to enforce the laws we already have. That the fencing already voted on is actually constructed. The ports and borders should have been closed on September 12th. This is absurd to try to sort out this entire mess with one bill.
I will contact my representatives again. They must be so tired of hearing from me by now. But I shall do it.
Thank you for posting this.
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texangelwings1 year, 4 months ago
Thanks Amazing1, for letting me know about Bryan's/DC most recent article. Storms rolling through blocked my sat.feed, was unable to us puter.
This is great information. Thanks Bryan!
I do not trust the creators of this bill. My gut is telling me that they are going to try to get it passed again, very shortly.
I will be contacting my representatives by phone & by mail! Secure our borders, ports, build the fence & go after employers who hire illegals. (employers should not be allowed to hire a person until their legal status has been verified!)
Just in case anyone would like to read some of the details of this bill, CNN Lou Dobbs has 5 listed on his website.
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alakazam1 year, 4 months ago
I just took a look at the website of my Senator who voted yes.
Still trying to boil out all the goo and dribble, but it looks like he sees a real need to create a solid and acceptable solution. Something needs to be done soon and he has a pretty hardline approach to the issue.
I guess it remains to be seen if it's a con, but at least he isn't sticking his head in the sand and hoping the problem will go away.
I personally think they need to kill this bill and start over. It's so one sided that even small compromises can hurt us badly. I think that will be my message to him.
If any of you guys can see holes in his position I would be glad if you pointed them out.
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trnscndr1 year, 4 months ago
All of them ignore that which is obvious to the average voter; hold employers accountable and the demand will dry up. Until they cut their corporate leashes, there will be no change. And the status quo is unacceptable if their is no intention to enforce it.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 4 months ago
It's a mess..
I think some guys think it's better for illegals
if we do nothing so it may have been sabotaged..
I've seen people vote in favor of a bill that
they destroyed with amendments and it lost,
but they can say they supported it..
I've seen many vote against something they
were originally in favor of because it was
weakened (by their point of view) and
I've seen many vote against something,
only to be able to get their way by using
their influence force future changes in
exchange for their vote (blackmail tactic)
I've been an elected official in 2
cities and watched Congress since the latter
Vietnam years, so I've seen much...
Nothing would surprise me, except how willing
they are to let nothing happen, when ANY action
is necessary to solve America's biggest threat...
Invasion by extremists and terrorist threats!
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trnscndr1 year, 4 months ago
I suspect there is a form of racism, preferring one minority over the other; but let's not forget, blacks are American citizens and they are dealing with enough problems without our govt. refusing to protect them from unfair labor competition.
And also, don't forget, it is not only blacks whose incomes are going down as a result; the lower the bottom, the lower the middle.
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icono11 year, 4 months ago
Everyone that has to work for a living and pay taxes to the US govt will be taking a hit on this one. Red, Yellow, Black and White. Cheaper labor = greater profits = busted union's = greater profits = increased tax on the middle class to support the loss of taxes collected from legit worker's and small businss to support the govt that supports/condones cheaper labor to increase corporate profits.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 4 months ago
Believe me, this one will pass..
There are a few last minute tougher (maybe better)
provisions to put in there so the last minute
Dems, who stopped this, even though they had the vote,
can show their toughness..
That might be good, but it
will not be weakened..
Kennedy, according to O'Reilly, has added a provision
protecting gang members, and supposedly THAT is why it was defeated??
Now, why would Kennedy do that, unless he wanted it defeated?
Did he do that??
It's psychological warfare and I'm afraid the alcohol has finally gotten into the lymph nodes, unless O'Reilly
is bloviating and propagandizing (which is possible)..
Anyone got accurate info??
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agentX1 year, 4 months ago
From the text of the bill itself.
"Section 237(a)(2) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8U.S.C. 1227(a)(2)) is amended by adding at the end the following:"(F) ALIENS ASSOCIATED WITH CRIMINAL GANGS- Any alien, in or admitted to the United States, who at any time has participated in a criminal gang (as defined in section 101(a)(52)), knowing or having reason to know that such participation will promote, further, aid, or supportthe illegal activity of the criminal gang is deportable. The Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General may in his discretion waive this subparagraph."
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trnscndr1 year, 4 months ago
As my father says, "There are some good ideas in Mein Kampf but I wouldn't make it a basis for law." It's the bad ones that I worry about.
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