Politics – A defensive President Bush insisted that he was still relevant this morning in a news conference dominated by his bitter complaints about the Democratic Congress. Asked how he found himself vetoing the SCHIP bill that had passed Congress with bipartisan support, Bush insisted that using a veto is "one way to ensure I am relevant."
Let him have his pipe dreams. He's about as relevant as his ex-partners, Gonzalez and Rumsfeld.
They have given power to Putin, legitimacy to Iran, have eroded our treasury, have eroded our morality, have violated international conventions on the treatment of POWs, have violated the sovereignty of allies such as Italy, have violated the Constitution of the United States and have put laws and legal interpretations in place that violate the Magna Carta, Bill of Rights, legal basis for the Declaration of Independence... They may be the most destructively relevant people to the liberties and future of our children for the next century. We will be 50 years undoing the damage to our reputation, ethics, and Constitutional government that they have done.
Wow what a rant. That is a great conspiracy theory. LOL
Now all you have to do is to validate any of those with facts.
1. Go look at Putin's speaches in the press.
2. Go look at how much money has been spent on a war that has totally failed to achieve its stated objective.
3. Go look at the millions and billions of unaccounted for funds, weapons, etc that were shipped to Iraq and all the failed civil engineering projects
4. We have denied enemy combatants the right of habeus corpus to prove that they are in fact "enemies" before holding them without charge or avenues for legal release.
5. We have used secret prisons using former Eastern Bloc interrogators...something we used to hate when I was in the military.
6. We use techniques that many reasonable people consider torture.
7. We have spied on US citizens in violation of existing laws.
8. Gonzales wrote legal opinions that stated the President can revoke the right to habeus corpus beyond the two conditions specified and limited to in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
feel free to cite any of those points with links to reputable news sources.
Very simple.
Item 1: He was on various radio & tv spots saying he was going to maintain power. GOOGLE or go to a radio or tv station's website
Item 2: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?appli...
That's a direct link from www.us.gov search of National Debt
Item 3: If you haven't heard about the BILLIONS of dollars lost or the almost 200 THOUSAND weapons lost in Iraq, you're blind and deaf
That's enough for now. Any and all are available from simple web searches, if you can't remember hearing about every point for the past 5 years, give or take.
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"Bush insisted that using a veto is "one way to ensure I am relevant."
Sure it is. But it's an unbelievably petty and childish way to ensure it. Using the veto against the wishes of a majority of both parties representatives and the public is like the kid who's losing at kickball at recess crying, "I'm taking my ball and going home."
"I used to be The Decider. Now, I am The Relevator. Heh heh..."
Childish? Petty? Or simply par for the course?
don't be an a$$
Dubya should be a lame duck, but if you saw his last Presidential address, he's still kicking az and taking names, the names being from the do nothing congress.
oh, and before you go there, get your facts straight on the FISA, SCHIP, and IRAQ.
Sorry, but Bush was never more than the school bully who thinks he should have it all his way - unfortunatelly part of his job gives him that deservidly or no - I say not.
He's a spoiled brat and a wannabe and not a darn thing more than that.
so I take it you missed the Presidential address,
the Congressional record this week,
and your medication
>>so I take it you missed the Presidential address, the Congressional record this week,
I heard his address. He still sounded like a whiny baby because ALMOST 60% of Congress, in a BIPARTISAN fasion, was doing something he didn't like.
And his whole point was:
"I can veto anything, so I'm still relevant!" And, unfortunately, there are still enough blind fools following him who cause the "Do Nothing Congress" to bot be able to do anything.
Exactly, he lost the last bit of relevance when he chose Cheney as VP.
How about:
'"I was trying to get your attention focused on the fact that major pieces of legislation aren't moving, and those that are, are at a snail's pace. And I hope I did that. I hope I was able to accomplish that."'
Is he saying that he wanted to get our attention, or he's the cause of the legislation moving at a snail's pace?
papa,
Now, that's being relevant! Like a poke in the eye.
the only thing you can't see while bush is stuttering through a speech is the hand that is operating his mouth.. this president is a disaster and most americans are sleep walking to a destiny with disaster, economically and civil liberties.
Relevant? Yes! Just like the dog turd I stepped in in at the park this morning!
Fortunately, I was able to scrape it off my shoe with a stick. Not so easy to get rid of Dumbya. Only 2008 will see the end of the Great Decider, Wielder of Mighty Vetoes, Great Savior of the Middle East, Befriender of Corporate America.......and the greatest fomentor of terrorism in the history of the world. Worst disgrace ever to occupy the White House.
Yep, he's relevant all right.
You liberals have no class.
He vetoed this stupid socialist bill because it would give health care to 'kids' up to 25 years old in a family that was earning $80, 000 a year...hardly poverty levels, maybe you spoiled liberals aught to get your priorities straight, and instead of buying another 60in flat screen hi-def
TV, ( or all the pot you're smoking) maybe you should pay for your own health care....like I do.
You liberals are hateful, class-envying bigots with no class.
you republicans simply can't do math or project futures. Europe, Russian, Iran, China, India...produce 5 - 8 times as many Bachelor's Degrees in Science and Engineering as the US. Everything that supports a US Citizen in focusing his/her financial resources on getting through college rather than having to drop out to pay for food, clothing, insurance, etc. is a contribution to our national security. Most of us can throw a ball and project its probable trajectory...you republicans don't understand complex systems well enough to even realize the ball is going to hit ground. I love the scientific research being published lately about the mental rigidness of people who become republicans. we're learning you don't have the mental complexity to lead a country in a 'global' world.
Bravo, BravoSierra. I agree with you wholeheartedly.
I believe that much of the Evangelical wing of American Christianity have a similar rigidity of belief. That may be why they get along so well: their common inability to see anything other than balck-and-white, my-way-or-it's-Hell-for-you options are part and parcel of this administration.
But this veto also appears to me to just one more plank of the Right wing agenda to maintain the elitist culture, supported by private school voucher programs while cutting funding for college loan programs.
I agree, it's the elitist privatization goal of Bush and his cadre of elitists who will funnel money to themselves to keep themselves the elite. The logic they follow is the same logic of the English elitists along the lines of Galton who concluded that the English were more prosperous because they were intellectually superior while the Irish were a species closer to monkeys. Once the Irish got to someplace they weren't being forcibly starved to death they proved to be every bit as bright as the English...a starved brain doesn't develop very well. But for the elitists they can use reverse logic and conclude that they are where they are because they are 'superior' rather than more vicious and misuse their power to stack the deck in their favor. It's the same reasoning that lead to eugenics. He traces his line back to the English Kings...all freedom loving Irish and Scots should despise his brand of elitism.
Now what would make the most sense is to offer the insurance to families so long as their children are in school up through age 25.
Hating something because it is 'socialist's is a great example of mental rigidity. Pragmatically, the Brits found that augmenting a student/family's income for keeping kids in school increased educational achievement by about 6 percent in their first trial.
Making the US more skilled and thus more competitive is good business.
AirBus by the way was a French 'socialist' investment...and it's been kicking our aerospace butt ever since.
you just make the program work in a way it is an investment in productivity down the road...
TV, ( or all the pot you're smoking) maybe you should pay for your own health care....like I do.
You liberals are hateful, class-envying bigots with no class.
And we're feeling your love, Black Kettle. LOL
americas enemy,
First and foremost, you should read the bill; there's nothing there close to your figure of $80K: "The bill gives states financial incentives to cover families with incomes up to three times the federal poverty level รข;; $61,950 for a family of four." http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h3-r4-QX2sJI...
This site points out why it's imperative to pass this legislation.
http://www.cbpp.org/6-5-06health.html
As to your BS allegations of this being a "socialist" idea, you too can be informed here: http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/medicarehealthins...
Give your crap-for-brains attitude and America a break and be informed before you open your mouth.
>>the only thing you can't see while bush is stuttering through a speech is the hand that is operating his mouth
So who DOES have their hand up his butt?
Cheney of course! He likes it there!
That isn't his hand.
ROTFLMAO! That explains the sh!t eating grin on Dumbya's face. Love that picture. He just found his lunch in his nose and is raising his finger to show he's just licked it clean. Gooood boy!
That is disgustingly funny!!!
>>He just found his lunch in his nose and is raising his finger to show he's just licked it clean.
EEEEWWWWWWWWwwwwwwwwwwww
Now THAT'S nasty
He is the cause of it, although he doesn't stand alone in this. Gutless Democrats, filibustering Republicans and the President are each equally to blame.
That piece of legislative garbage needed to be vetoed.
Right! let the little snot nosed kids get a job. Bring back the good old days of the 19th century.
Get your facts straight you liberal kook. People earning $80,000 a year don't need govenment paid health care.
Why don't you liberals take a step back for a moment, read all of these disgusting, hateful comments, and then realize, that it is you not conservatives, who are the party of hate and intollerance.
get your facts straight.
the 80k thing is a red herring. first of all, its only a possibility at present. its not part of the bill as written, and only involves one state, NY.
this bill is given out in block grants to each state. so its up to each state to decide how that money gets dolled out. so if NY thinks 80k is a real number for some families, so be it. who are you to tell them what's right or wrong for their people?
or is this where the cons turns their backs on the states' rights mantra they've been chanting for years?
and all 18-25 years olds will be phased out within two years.
so there goes that argument.
You're asking for quite a lot. His reason has been shot down several times already with the same FACT that you presented yet they still present it and if you notice it still receives plussies despite that fact its a LIE. The righties are spiraling out of relevance with their stands and I think they are surprised. The same repeat a lie enough and it becomes the truth isn't working for them anymore
Get your facts straight. States with a high limit on income also have high income-based copay
Yo, butter. I posted this in another thread, and in another spot in this thread. NO ONE has replied to this - either too scared or can't think of a rebuttal. See what you can come up with:
$80k means about $55k-$60k after taxes (IF you're lucky).
- Daycare in Northern VA - cheapest about $20k a year
- Rent / Mortgage - Somewhere around $24 to $36k (if you actually want more than 1 bedroom & a kitchen) a year - average about $28k
- Electric alone WITH Gas Heat - another $1.8k
- Gas - another $2k
What's that? About $50k and we haven't even gotten to groceries, children's clothes, diapers, school supplies, AND auto, health & homeowner's/renter's insurance. Health insurance alone is about $15k PLUS for a family of 4.
So, tell me. Is $80k a year really all that much?
want to see how relevant bush and the neocons really are? and for the matter al qaeda?
the power of nightmares:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8813210...
a BBC doc in three parts. one hour each part.
here's the ten minute clip from the doc concerning the invention of alqaeda: http://youtube.com/watch?v=SYH8eM910fs
the neocons and al qaeda are two sides of the same coin.
pretty scary to know that the fear is manufactured.