Senator says US no longer has rights even of Middle Ages »
Posted by: Aidenag 10 months ago345 Comments Report this Story
"According to the last attorney general (Bush) was king, and maybe this one believes the same thing, he can do whatever he wants to," Harkin continued. "But even in 1215, the King of England was held to the standard of habeas corpus. I guess we want to turn the clock back to before the Magna Carta."
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Obaku10 months ago
The only bright spot is that abandoning the Constitution cuts both ways - if Bush and Dickless Cheney say the Constitution doesn't apply to them, why should we be restrained by the rule of law in order to deal with them?
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Goppy10 months ago
It aint anarchy ifn its 'controlled anarhcy'.
Its all part of our plan.
Sow dissention, break down goveremntal safegards, bankrup govermental economic strukture, and THEN - We Christian Conservatives rush in with our Corporo/Theocratic Strukture!
Oh my, IM startin to git a little excited!
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gamahuche10 months ago
FTA
"We need an attorney general to tell this king that he's wrong, and that the rule of law will apply and the rule of law says we will not torture," Harkin said. "We will not be like our enemies. That will send a stronger signal to the world than anything else we can do."
His proposal was far from being anarchistic but it had more than a hint of the power of the moral high-ground.
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jordan1110 months ago
I hate the way this country is going but I don't want anarchy either. One can respect the rule of law without resorting to over throwing it and becoming the one thing we hate.>>>>
No one in their right mind wants anarchy. No one in their right mind wants our Constitution dismantled. Let's hope it doesn't come down to a choice.
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Radiofreeeuropa10 months ago
Anarchists have done far less harm than fascists. A look at anarchists in Spain is somewhat of an eyeopener, their fault was they had true democracy.
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Locky1210 months ago
Somebody should tell that dimwit Harkin to get his buddies together and call waterboarding torture! But no, he's too much of a dimwit to do that. Other senators KNOW that waterboarding is an effective tool to get information. It has worked on Khalid Sheik Mohammed.
Senator Harkin should keep his mouth shut lest he show the world how stupid he is and how much he hates his own country.
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MajJohn10 months ago
You're absolutely correct, and many of the remarks you read are from others "who just don't get it". The rights of habious corpus do NOT apply to enemy combatants and/or non citizens. Let's say you were on vacation in France, I'd expect that I'd have to abide by their laws. POW's are entitled to protection under the Geneva convention. But, and this is a big BUT, the entire world body recognizes "troops" wearing the uniform of a nation at war are to be protected, not terrorists.
This leads up to the final point, "there is a general theme here", eg. Ever since the war started, objectors have wanted to know the exit strategy and have a time line in place. The enemy would merely sit and wait and we'd lose, as this is not a conventional war. Harkin, if he gets his way would reveal intelligence techniques to the enemy. What prisoner would "spill the beans" then? The enemy would be trained to resist, knowing our limits, how stupid.
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pc2510 months ago
of course the truth hurts doesn't it.......Abramoff, lied about his military service.......the original phony soldier..LOL!!!!!!!..pork barrell politics, supporter of Hugo Chavez.....religous bigot
http://www.wardsmythe.com/absoluteharkin.jpg
ties to Democratic fundraiser Hsu
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...
CONTRIBUTIONS รข;; HARKIN RECEIVED $21,000 FROM ABRAMOFF'S PARTNERS AND CLIENTS: Harkin received $22,000 in 2003 and 2004 from Abramoff's partners and his clients. [USA Today, 12/3/05]
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-12...
a man of character and integrity that Tom Harkin
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scriblerus110 months ago
This is the result of the Plutocrats buying up all the media and dumbing us all down with their idiotic programming.
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Teagen10 months ago
Obaku, are you talking about the claims of executive privilege that's never been fully defined under the Constitution? Congress needs to address that in order for the Courts to deal with that. This was a problem under the last 12-15 presidents going back to FDR when they wanted to ask him about Dec-7th. Now before you think I'm bashing a lefty, I'm not, I'm stating a problem we've had for a long time.
So going back, to congress, instead of the non-binding resolutions and attempts to cut our funding, perhaps clearly defining the executive privilege in the Constitution would help things out. Currently Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Johnson, Roosevelt and a few others hid behind it. It's time to set up guide lines and follow them. Regardless which party controls the White House.
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MajJohn10 months ago
You're on to something, but under the Constitution, congress can not define executive privilege. That would make them the preeminent branch. It is the Supreme Court's duty to define executive privilege. (and maybe they should). I'm no constitutional scholar, but I feel there's case history out there that shows this to have already happened and Harkin is just shooting of his mouth.
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ETproductions10 months ago
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, ... That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
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Goppy10 months ago
You Libuerals is soooo funny!
WE Christian Conservatives dint elect Goerge to uphold the Constitution!!
We elected GW to RE-WRITE the Constitution!!
Dint you ever wonder how or why we voted fer him by over 96%?
We calls it our FAITH BASED INITITATIVE!
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