Alaska GOP: 'I'll Sell My Soul to the Devil' »
Posted by: Aidenag 10 months ago248 Comments Report this Story
On another tape, Pete Kott, the former Republican speaker of the Alaska House of Representatives, crowed as he described beating back a tax bill opposed by oil companies. "I had to cheat, steal, beg, borrow and lie," Kott said. "Exxon's happy. BP's happy. I'll sell my soul to the devil."
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Aidenag10 months ago
And the Republican party wonders why they get accused of being in bed with Big Oil...
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TemplarScribe9 months, 4 weeks ago
No, Aldenag, they don't wonder why they're accused. They wonder why so much of the US is surprised at their being in bed with Big Oil.
Heck, we've got two ex-oil men in the White House right now. There's evidence out there that oil execs from the big companies (Exxon, BP, etc.) met with Cheney and his infamous Energy Task Force, which should've been called the Ripping Off 99% of America Task Force (see the Washington Post article from 11/15/2005).
Taliban representatives were reportedly told by Bush/Big Oil: Accept our offer of "a carpet of gold or you'll get a carpet of bombs" in August 2001, according to French authors Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie in "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth."
And there've been many efforts by Bush officials to insert oil company language into new laws, from EPA legislation to parroting the company line on denying global warming.
The only thing the Repubs are wondering is, how long can they continue to get away with it?
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donald519 months, 4 weeks ago
...Don't forget that when Bridges to Nowhere Ted Stevens took testimony in the US Congress from the Big Oil CEOs they didn't even have to swear to tell the truth. The article said, "Officially, the scandal has remained confined to Juneau.." which is utter BS! The same CEOs that denied being at Dick Cheney's Energy meeting where the minutes are classified per Cheney too!
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cowboygrandpa9 months, 4 weeks ago
Aidenag: Thanks for the story and the heads up. Well how about that we have republicans who are willing to sell their souls for big oil. Now there is a real surprize. LOL. Not. Bush, Cheney, Papa Bush how many before them? When money rules corruption follows. No matter whose party is in charge. Lets make it easy. Put the politicians finances under scrutiny constantly. Don't like it don't become a public servant. What a laugh we have so few public servants anymore. Impeach Bush and Cheney and fire all these looooosers now. As far as the Alaskans shame on you for allowing this for your own profit. You will be sorry one day if you don't act.
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splitrch9 months, 4 weeks ago
Here's the kicker:
"I don't know if this is immoral behavior, illegal behavior, unethical behavior or just raw capitalism," said Rep. Ray Ramras. In the end, upon encountering one of the men he had accused, "we hugged it out, like they say on the HBO show 'Entourage.' "
If he doesn't know the answer to this we are already more screwed than we can possibly know.
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bobo-in-texas9 months, 4 weeks ago
These corrupt politicians belong in jail, period. This looks straight out of Louisiana except that they have an R instead of a D after their names.
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bobo-in-texas9 months, 4 weeks ago
I'm curious why someone would neg the preceeding comment. Are you against throwing corrupt politicians in jail?
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mesodude9 months, 4 weeks ago
Yeah, someone making a racist remark is TOTALLY comparable to the GOP ripping us off for BILLIONS of our tax dollars. Good one. You're unbelievable... You are the consummate neoclown. You skim a news story, see a few choice phrases, decide it paints Democrats or liberals in a bad light and then you run with it.
If you'd actually bothered to READ the story, you'd know that the woman who was the target of the racist remark was a campaign worker FOR the Democrat--not an "opponent." If you're going to pretend to be culturally sensitive and compassionate you should at least get the facts right. Have the guts to admit that you only care about the story to the extent that it makes a Democrat look bad.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/200...
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cowboygrandpa9 months, 4 weeks ago
augustine974: Even they know deep in their heart the party is over. When you turn yourself over to the evil one. You are done. When the guy brags he would sell his soul to the devil. Well what has he shown. This material world means more than ever lasting life with God. That ought to make the fanatical Christians happy to hear. The party they back is willing to do anything for money. Keep backing the devil and you lose. That is what they have been doing. They try to say money is alright. It is if it is not your consuming desire. But they are running with the wolves here.
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tanglang9 months, 4 weeks ago
Come next November, we'll see.
Also, every party has scumbags like this. What can you do other than boot them out? I guess the GOPs mind reading skills have been on the fritz. Surely if they were working they could have known this guy was scum and never let him run in the first place. Hows about you pitch in some dough so we can get a new set?
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cowboygrandpa9 months, 4 weeks ago
tanglang: Well I've already said it is both parties that need to be refitted. I'm glad you agree every party has it's scumbags. I would even go so far as to say that most of both of the parties are that. We need to start with a fresh mindset. Money is alright as long as it is not the main goal. Greed is a killer.
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mesodude9 months, 4 weeks ago
Maybe they're neg'ing him because the focus of the story is on corrupt ALASKA politicians and not *all* politicians. When there is a story that compares criminal and unethical behavior *across* parties, then we can all seize on the opportunity and bring up our favorite criminal or ethics breach for the last 300 years (regardless of relevance).
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cowboygrandpa9 months, 4 weeks ago
BoBo in Texas: They are probably so used to negging you they do it automatically. It has happened to me. I read something and go to vote positive and hit negative out of habit. Then again they may feel you attacking Democrats by saying R instead of D after their names. See to me it doesn't really matter which party does it. It is wrong. So Wolfie and some others who love party above country will always neg what I say unless it is a Democrat. I take that as a compliment. Don't take it to hard. If we threw all the corrupt politicians in jail there would be very few left. What a grand idea. Start fresh with new anti corruption laws death to those who sell out their loyalty. No reprieve. No hiding behind the corrupt corporation heads. No more of the special interests liars. How about it?
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HannibalBarca9 months, 4 weeks ago
You to eh! Wish wolfie would at least whimper some time so I could see where his head is at, that way I might be able to help him by finding it and putting it back on his shoulders.
Mind you if it is where I think it is, while I have cleaned pig lagoons in my day,I most certainly won't go there eh!
Cheers Grandapa
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HannibalBarca9 months, 4 weeks ago
Makes you wonder about that, mind you he did give loser a positive for calling us Canadians cowards.
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donald519 months, 4 weeks ago
...only one party with convictions/pardons at the presidential cabinet level since Nixon: Watergate. Iran Contra and Plamegate (we'd have alot more on the Bushies except for the sycophant Repugs in the senate). ONly one Party refused to make ethics changes in the Congress as a result of the Foley and Abramoff scandals. Only one Party has justified and conducted preemptive war for which we sentenced 11 Natzis to death for after WWII. Only one party has revoked Geneva, written a torture memo, revoked habeas corpus and convinced the Congress that warrants are not necessary to eavesdrop. Its all un-American to me, and the violators should be turned over to the court they deny, the World Criminal Court!
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tanglang9 months, 4 weeks ago
Your bringing valerie plame discredits your whole post. Her name was not leaked by this administration and it definately was not leaked by Scooter Libby. The fat that ten years ago her and her husband were known in Washington as mr and mrs spy, should tell you that.
Also genius, I believe that there were some democrats that voted to go to war as well.
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PapaWolf9 months, 4 weeks ago
No, tang. YOUR post of Valerie Plame discredits your comments. When you ignore - repeatedly - that her own boss, the DIRECTOR of the CIA, issued a sworn affidavit that she was covert at the time of the leak, you show you'll say anything to try to discredit opposing views.
This issue has been discussed too many times on these threads. You, and others, have been shown link after link showing that she WAS covert at the time of the leak. You all refuse to believe it simply for partisan reasons.
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tanglang9 months, 4 weeks ago
We have also posted link after link showing that there were many people in DC who knew who she was and what her status was. She outed herself years ago. That's why the person who 'leaked' her name never was prosecuted.
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PapaWolf9 months, 4 weeks ago
What is BELIEVED in their circle of friends, and what is SWORN TO in a signed affidavit are 2 different things.
No matter what you, W, Snow, Rush, O'Reilly, Fox News, or any of the others say, she was covert until her cover was blown.
And national security, agents' lives, and on-going operations were compromised.
I guess that's alright w/you because it was a Republican administration that outed her. How loudly would you be screaming, that is if you weren't carrying the noose, if it had been Clinton?
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donald519 months, 4 weeks ago
...under the Bushies a lot of white collar criminals are going free. All those sole source, unaudited contracts that the Bushies say to leave business alone on! Almost 20,000 of those earmarked give-aways (opportunities for vice) to friends of the Repugs in 2006 alone!
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PapaWolf9 months, 4 weeks ago
>>Again, if she were really covert, why wasn't the person who 'outed' her brought to justice?
Gee, tang. I don't know. Why don't you ask the AG's that were fired for actually investigating Republican wrong-doings, or for not bringing indictments to Democrats prior to an election. Or ask those who "clammed up" after she was outed for fear of having the same done to them.
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PapaWolf9 months, 4 weeks ago
You know, tang, if you tampered with federal investigations like they did by firing the AG's, you'd be in prison right now. It's not Bush I hate; it's basically everything he's done to this country & the world that really pi$$es me off. And if you really believe that the AG's firings were "rightful," you deserve all of the warrantless wire taps, illegal searches & seizures, revocation of habeus corpus, illegal spying on US citizens, and the torture that this administration brought on us all.
The only problem is that the rest of us get to live with these atrocities, too.
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PapaWolf9 months, 3 weeks ago
But most of those in Gitmo were NOT taken in combat. Can you say Jose Padilla - a US CITIZEN, picked up on US SOIL, who's been held for years WITHOUT habeus corpus?
Your blind support of everything Bush does furthers the erosion of our civil liberties.
And, btw, habeus corpus dates back to somewhere near 700 years. Just FYI, there were no US citizens back then, so HC is, and should, be for ALL, not just US citizens (even tho Bush has even bypassed that), or those W deems NOT to be enemy combatents.
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donald519 months, 4 weeks ago
Tang, its Plamegate because the CIA refered the case to the Justice department and Scotter was found guilty of perjury and obstructing justice. Had Cheney or Rove really testified they would have lied too! At least by using Plamegate you knew what case I was talking about, so the usage was on cue, you turkey!
Yes, a lot of dems. like sycophant Repugs never read the intel briefs... they just fell in line to dumya's demands like the press... or they were all called traitors and Un-American.
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tanglang9 months, 4 weeks ago
I wasn't saying that the name was bad, just using it as an example in general. Scooter Libby was convicted for not being able to remember the exact details of a conversation that was months old. That's all. I'm willing to bet good money that none of you or me for that matter, could give every single detail of a conversation you had at work five months ago. Does that mean you guys should be jailed if asked to testify about what was said?
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mesodude9 months, 4 weeks ago
But you forget that unlike chicken hawk restroom stall-haunting Republicans, Democrats don't go around asserting that they've cornered the market on "family values" or that they alone are the party of "personal responsibility." Therein lies the rub.
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bobo-in-texas9 months, 4 weeks ago
Politicians plural. A whole parade from Huey Long, to Gov. Edwin Edwards to Congressman William Jefferson to name a very few.
Retired Congressman Billy Tauzin once issued this description of his home state: "Half of Louisiana is under water and the other half is under indictment."
I don't think that Vitter is guilty of corruption but of employing prostitutes.
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ybdogsct9 months, 4 weeks ago
Agreed. They should all be gone.
Politics is a curious thing. The ones who desire the office most (i.e., "most power hungry") are also the least suited for the job. And the ones who desire it the least, would probably make the best representatives.
An unfortunate Catch-22...
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bobo-in-texas9 months, 4 weeks ago
Thanks for the comment.
Just because they have an R after their name doesn't mean that I'll tolerate corruption.
And I would hope that all of those on the Left would agree about those with a D.
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ybdogsct9 months, 4 weeks ago
Of course, everyone would agree with that statement.
I am, however, confused by some of your comments. After all, unless I'm mistaken, Edwin Edwards has been out of office for over 10 years and Huey Long has been dead for 70...
As for Jefferson, he should have been gone had not Dennis Hastert (R-IL), John Boehner (R-OH), and Bill Frist (R-TN) risen to Jefferson's defense and complained directly to Bush & Gonzalez about the FBI's actions. Talk about strange bedfellows...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
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bobo-in-texas9 months, 4 weeks ago
I was responding to your question "Which corrupt Louisiana politician are you talking about -- David Vitter (R-LA)?" in which you, by at least implication, narrowed the grand Louisana tradition of political corruption to one politician who is suprisingly not corrupt. I thought that an historical overview might be a good answer to correct the possible misconception.
As to your second point. I didn't see Democrats stumbling over themselves to oust Jefferson from the Party when the FBI cash was found in his freezer. They, like the Republican leadership of the time, were more interested in preserving Congressional perogative than rooting out corruption.
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ybdogsct9 months, 4 weeks ago
BOBO:
"I thought that an historical overview might be a good answer to correct the possible misconception."
You and I agreed that corrupt politicians should be ousted from office and tried. Why would you bring up Edwin Edwards, who has been out of office for 10 years, and Huey Long, who has been dead for 70? Why would they need to be ousted from office?
BOBO:
"I didn't see Democrats stumbling over themselves to oust Jefferson"
Democrats wanted no part of him. Jefferson survived because of Hastert, Boehner, and Frist.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,278080,00.html
"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was expected to push later this week for Jefferson's official ouster from his committee...specifically asking the committee to answer whether Jefferson should resign. Last year, Pelosi stripped Jefferson of his seat on the Ways and Means Committee...Some Democrats called for Jefferson's resignation Tuesday."
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bobo-in-texas9 months, 4 weeks ago
The Republicans certainly didn't support Jefferson. This was their problem.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Though no one actually defended embattled Rep. William Jefferson, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi joined House Republicans on Wednesday in expressing outrage over the FBI's recent search of the congressman's legislative office.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/24/jefferso...
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ybdogsct9 months, 4 weeks ago
FROM YOUR OWN ARTICLE:
"Though Pelosi backed Dennis Hastert (R-IL) in regard to the (unconstitutionality of the FBI's) search (on Jefferson's home), a letter Pelosi sent hours earlier asking Jefferson to resign from a House committee post was not supportive."
Hastert (R-IL), Boehner (R-OH), and Frist (R-TN) defended William Jefferson by accusing the FBI of an unconstitutional raid, demanding that all items be returned to Jefferson, and insisting that any evidence gotten by unconstitutional means be made inadmissible in court. Pelosi, initially agreeing with Hastert until Jefferson could have has day in court, nevertheless kicked Jefferson of his committee and asked him to resign. According to the law, this is as much the Democratic Party can do without a conviction.
Jefferson does not enjoy support from the Democratic Party. He was in fact saved by Hastert, Boehner, and Frist, and it was their intervention that has granted him a reprieve for now.
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ybdogsct9 months, 4 weeks ago
BOBO:
"Why hasn't she moved to expel him?"
I've already answered this question. The Democratic Party doesn't have the power to force a Congressman's resignation without a conviction. They only have the power to take away his committee assignment and his vote -- which they've already done. Why is this so difficult to understand?
http://www.diversityinc.com/public/1963.cfm
"House rules do not require Jefferson to step down from his post at this point. If he were to be convicted and sentenced to more than two years in prison, he could be stripped of his voting privileges."
You can try to twist the truth, but there's no mistake that the Democrats have done everything within the to neutralize William Jefferson, while top Republicans like John Boehner, Dennis Hastert, and Bill Frist acted to save William Jefferson by complaining directly to President Bush about the FBI's and Antonio Gonzalez's "unconstitutional" search."
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bobo-in-texas9 months, 4 weeks ago
The House as a whole can vote to expel a member.
Article 1 Section 5 Clause 2 US Constitution
"Each House may determine the Rules of it's Proceedings, punish it's Members for disorderly Behaviour, and with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member"
I don't see many Republicans voting to retain Mr. Jefferson so what is Nancy Pelosi waiting for?
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ybdogsct9 months, 4 weeks ago
BOBO:
"what is Nancy Pelosi waiting for?"
I keep telling you, but you refuse to listen. Pelosi has already removed Jefferson from his committee assignments rendering him powerless. That is as much as she can do on her own. She and the rest of Congress is now waiting for due process and the results of an ethics investigation. Despite the many corrupt politicians before William Jefferson (including Bob Ney just last year), it is UNPRECEDENTED to expel a Congressman prior to a CONVICTION.
Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?
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ybdogsct9 months, 4 weeks ago
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-06...
"Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio offered a resolution directing the ethics committee to report on whether the charges in the indictment merit Jefferson's expulsion. The House passed it, 373-26. The Committee on Standards of Official Conduct is directed to investigate without further delay alleged illegal conduct and violations of House rules by Representative William J. Jefferson and report its findings and recommendations to the House, including a recommendation regarding whether Representative Jefferson should be expelled. Expelling a House member before a conviction would be unprecedented, according to the Congressional Research Service."
Pelosi is waiting for the report from this investigation. Period. But Pelosi has publicly called for Jefferson to resign sooner. Jefferson has refused, and Pelosi has no choice but to wait for DUE PROCESS.
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ybdogsct9 months, 4 weeks ago
I wonder why Boehner, Frist, and Hastert felt the need to complain to President Bush directly about the FBI's actions? Perhaps the corruption scandal hit too close to home? Maybe they thought the FBI would be raiding their houses next, and discover evidence of corruption there.
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ybdogsct9 months, 4 weeks ago
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/27/jefferso...
"The resignation talk was relayed to the White House midweek as President Bush came under fierce pressure from House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Illinois, and other congressional leaders to return materials (seized by the FBI from William Jefferson's home)."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/16/washington/16...
"the Democrats voted to remove him from the House Ways and Means Committee until his case is resolved...a quick vote on potentially expelling a member of Congress under indictment - without having been proven guilty - would run against recent history. Last year, Rep. Bob Ney (R-Ohio) announced his intention to plead guilty to accepting illegal gifts in August and didn't resign his seat until a few days before the November elections."
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donald519 months, 4 weeks ago
Bobo, I've seen too much of your hypocrisy hereon. Typical Repug approach to point out the few and minor Dem faults and say they are as evil as anything done by the Repugs as normal operations. You obviously have no sense of balance and relativity!
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bobo-in-texas9 months, 4 weeks ago
So, according to your standards Richard Nixon, Lee Harvey Oswald and even Osama Bin Laden are presumed innocent because they have not been charge and convicted in a court of law.
Now that's what I call sticking to principle.
However I'm disappointed at your second comment, "Republicans have steadfastly attempted to claim the moral high ground with empty rhetoric and bombastic comments". because no court has held that to be true.
I urge you to hold the high moral ground, stick to you principles and confine your comments to facts that have been tested in court.
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PapaWolf9 months, 4 weeks ago
>>Richard Nixon, Lee Harvey Oswald and even Osama Bin Laden are presumed innocent
Yes, Bobo. That's the cornerstone of our judicial system.
But you forget that Nixon was found guilty; that's why Ford had to pardon him.
LHO, again, may have been guilty & probably was, but he is PRESUMED innocent. The same goes for OBL.
But from some accounts, OBL admitted to being behind 9/11, so the presumption of innocence is basically moot.
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mesodude9 months, 4 weeks ago
The irony of the Jefferson case is that the right wingers bitching loudly about this seem to have conveniently forgotten that it was none other than that GOP moron Alberto Gonzales who threw a wrench into the works. Had he not totally BOTCHED the investigation, Jefferson's day in court would have long since come and gone. Once again, the party of "personal responsibility" fails to live up to its phony name.
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bobo-in-texas9 months, 4 weeks ago
You're of course correct. Any number of commenters here just assume that I'm a Christian conservative when in fact I'm a libertarian leaning Republican.
Sometimes it gets too easy to get caught up in the shorthand of Dem left Republican Right.
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mesodude9 months, 4 weeks ago
But isn't crying incessantly over William Jefferson stealing a measly $90,000 (while GOP members steal BILLIONS) being just a tad biased? Where's your perspective?
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splitrch9 months, 4 weeks ago
Corrupt politicians are corrupt politicians. The party they belong to really doesn't matter. What matters is that corporations can smell these people from a mile away. We need to throw the heads of these corporations into jail for very long sentences. They can share their cells with the politicians who they so easily bought. Talk about a living hell! I'm not sure which one would be the more severely punished.
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mesodude9 months, 4 weeks ago
That's odd...I had no idea Democrats were responsible for awarding billions of dollars in no-bid contracts in New Orleans. In fact, I could've sworn the GOP was still in power when those tax dollars of yours were being flushed down the toilet.
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mesodude9 months, 4 weeks ago
I get a little irked when people suggest that there are no differences between the parties. That may not have been baddad59's intent but that is how it came across to me. We agree that corruption shouldn't be tolerated from either party but I can't think of anything Democrats have ever done on the scale of what the GOP has been doing with Big Oil for all these years and that is the focus of this news story--not corruption in general.
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mesodude9 months, 4 weeks ago
"Your party is no better and you better wake up before it is too late."
I'll take that under advisement. I think "better" is subjective and I never claimed Democrats were "better" than Republicans. What I said is that I can't think of anything the Democrats have done that either matches or exceeds the scale of what Republicans have been doing for decades vis a vis Big Oil.
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ybdogsct9 months, 4 weeks ago
SECONDCHANCE:
"I found the Hillary and her planted questions news story."
How can Republicans be furious at Hillary for taking a page from Bush's playbook? Hillary may have planted a few questions, but Bush plants the WHOLE AUDIENCE.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/marko...
"While Kerry's events are open to the public, Bush's affairs require the signing of a 'loyalty oath.' Bush faces only adoring audiences vetted by the campaign's enforcers. Questions are planted for maximum political effect. At one, a veteran merely got up and requested permission to salute his commander in chief."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-10...
"The soldiers were told in advance the questions Bush would ask. Reporters overheard Allison Barber, asking one soldier: 'Who are we going to give that (question) to?' White House spokesman Scott McClellan bristled when reporters pressed him later on the staging."
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ybdogsct9 months, 4 weeks ago
And a neg right back at ya, Wolfie. Don't worry; where you missed, my mouse was right on target.
As long as the negs are coming from people like you, I don't mind them and, in fact, wear them proudly.
"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."--Jonathan Swift
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pongping9 months, 4 weeks ago
Are you defending Hillary? Does the end justify the means? Just because a lackey like Bush does it doesn't make it right to also do it. That would be all the more reason not to do it and show your true grit, don't ya think?
What happened in Alaska and is probably happening in every state, 536 chambers on Capitol Hill, and the White House is that everybody is doing it because they see/saw that everybody else is/was doing it and they think it's actually part of the process (which it apparently is) and we all get screwed out here in internet and TV land.
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ybdogsct9 months, 4 weeks ago
From your own precious Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153720,00.html
"The unceremonious ouster of three people from a recent White House Social Security event in Colorado has critics wondering how far President Bush will go to ensure friendly, sympathetic audiences at his town hall-style forums and rallies."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172262,00.html
"Some critics said the video conference was staged, referring to an on-camera shot of a Pentagon official shown coaching the soldiers. Some senior Pentagon officials told FOX News that they are angry that soldiers were coached at all before the video conference went live. The questions pitched to the troops by Bush were choreographed on the president's goals for the war in Iraq and the upcoming vote this weekend on a new Iraqi constitution. Privately, at least one senior military commander told FOX News that he's outraged by the way the young soldiers were coached."
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DarkWizard9 months, 4 weeks ago
secondchance,
What the hell does this have to do with our own FBI catching these lying, cheating, money grubbing, sell their soul to big oil, politicians in Alaska?
Do you have any clue as to how to stay on topic? You want to go off on other tangents...post your own stories. And, see how many of us come and join you.
I'm all for freedom of speech, but try and engage the brain too.
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cowboygrandpa9 months, 4 weeks ago
sc: meant to be neg. Nothing personal. I don't care for Hillary either. But this is about a bunch of corrupt as*holes from the GOP. Your spin won't spin here. How much more you would sound like an American if you would just admit. That politicians on both sides of the spectrum are wrong and dirty. We need to change the way they are doing business. Both parties.
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sinophil499 months, 4 weeks ago
Cowboygramps - "That politicians on both sides of the spectrum are wrong and dirty."
How very true and how very sad. In my lifetime, the only presidents I can think of that were relatively clean are Kennedy (assassinated) and Carter (ineffective). It would have been interesting if Adlai Stevenson or Bobby Kennedy had become president.
Otherwise, all the elections have been about choosing the lesser of 2 evils. Or maybe choosing which candidate had more positives than negatives.
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donald519 months, 4 weeks ago
secondchance: Hillary didn't spend $425,000 of taxpayer monies to a pundit to sell a political position either! Reference Dumya and No Child Left Behind!
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mesodude9 months, 4 weeks ago
This from a koolaid drinking supporter of an administration that has spent the last 7 YEARS CRUSHING dissension in the American electorate? Or did you forget that Bushco has been screening members of the public who attend all of Bush's public appearances to weed out those with an opposing point of view? Reality is a bitch, ain't it?
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mesodude9 months, 4 weeks ago
"We may never know until she is elected president, then we may find out she is NOT who we thought she is!"
LOL...Calm down. What would be so tragic about that? You neoclowns thought Bush was the Messiah but even when you found out he was actually the anti-Christ you re-elected him anyway. Why won't you give Hillary the same level of respect?
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Goppy9 months, 4 weeks ago
No - secondchance has a point.
I think Propeller is against us Christian Conservatives and American Goverment hatin Libertarians!
And not just Propeller - every body hates Conservatives.
Heres an example.
I got this cousin - and he is always postin storyes spewin hate about the ding dang Goverment, how he hates homersexuals, how Liburals just want to make everybody wear red and worship Lenin, how he hates Bill and Hillery. Ohh does he go on bout how he hates Bill n Hillery -- AN AL GORE! He really goes on and on bout how he hates Al Gore and Golbal Warmin!!!!!
What else - Lets see- Oh - He goes into veritable RANTS bout how its WRONG to inshure Americans, specially kids! He says media is out to warp his mind (and may have already done so.)
Well - after a while - my cousin says he gits the distinct impression that poeple dont liek him and are prejudiced against him.
He calls me all the time cyrin and whinin bout it.
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