Tapes destroyed over CIA's objections »
Posted By STONERS 8 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsThe CIA official who gave the command to destroy interrogation videotapes apparently acted against the direction of his superiors, the top Republican House Intelligence Committee member said Wednesday.
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Blackacereturn8 months, 3 weeks ago
I don't know but to me this is the REPUGS excuse for everything, if these agencies cant keep their own in line should we worry about them keeping others in line. This is a flat out lie and i am sick and tired of the right doing this. We need to rid ourselves of them!
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unome28 months, 3 weeks ago
I think the death penalty would be too kind of a punishment for this scum. These kind of Neo-con bums are going to ruin the United States.
The history of the CIA is the history of horror and cruelty through out the world.
They are the henchman for our corporately controlled government.
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crghss8 months, 3 weeks ago
"the death penalty"
You must be crazy. What was his great "crime"? Totally blown out of proportion.
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Blackacereturn8 months, 3 weeks ago
Going to, It's going to take hard work to fix what they have broken...and it seems they are hell bent on leaving a mess behind in order to say see they cant fix the country!
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wtagg8 months, 3 weeks ago
I think the reward is possibly pointing to any career choices after taking the fall. Will there be more opportunity and compensation rewarding loyalty? That is considering an assumption that the citizens of this country are not getting the full story. There is some precedence for such things.
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Blackacereturn8 months, 3 weeks ago
The joke in all this, if you are trying not to cry, is that we have somehow elected or let the elected appoint the worse of American from top to bottom into every power position of our government even the Supreme Courts. It will take an entire generation to recover from what they have done.
We would have been better off opening up a prison and letting the inmates run the country.
My god they are the worse of what we have to offer. And the Media they should all be suspended from practicing their work. The last good News man was Anderson Cooper and they found a way to keep his mouth shut. We are in soo much trouble as a nation i hope god keep smiling on us!
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Dionys8 months, 3 weeks ago
It's known as plausible deniability. It means yet again the higher-ups don't take responsibility or get thrown in jail.
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AnteUp8 months, 3 weeks ago
FTA:
...both of whom are known to have undergone waterboarding, which gives the subject the sensation of drowning.
I am so very sick and tired of waterboarding being the
only mention ANYWHERE to our methods of torture!
"WATER-boarding", I mean it just sounds kind of hygienic!
You've got "experts" stating that it's not torture,
it's just psychological - "There's no permanent damage".
If the American public were exposed to more of the actual
methods described, would they get it? Beatings? Freezing -
induced hypothermia, ankles chained to the front legs of
a chair while the spine is extended over the back and
your wrists are chained to the back legs for HOURS?
How about Binyam Mohammed al-Habashi, and the alleged
scalpel cuts to the chest and genitals. Do you think
it might have left scars? Actual evidence of his treatment
will never be seen because the USA cannot afford to let
him out of Guantanamo to substantiate his claims.
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consareidiots8 months, 3 weeks ago
I hardly think enough has been said. To disprove the "alleged" accusations just produce the "alleged" victim without any physical scars. Fair enough??
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AnteUp8 months, 3 weeks ago
crghss ~
Don't be silly........everything is ALLEGED!
Has our government filed charges to proved the
GUILT? You have to substantiate charges in the justice system - well,you are supposed to. With less blind acceptance and more attention being given to Bush's decisions, it is entirely possible that the justice system might not play ball.
Bush can't afford to let these ALLEGATIONS proceed to a
normal trial where the accused could site the methods used to extract names, plots, confessions - I don't believe that is allowed in a Military Tribunal in their new form.
You're right of center - Yes? Well, I thought you were the guys who liked to say, "If you haven't done anything wrong
then why worry?" If they have not done anything wrong then
why is it imperative that so much be secret,secret,secret???
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AnteUp8 months, 3 weeks ago
Oh - and don't forget our own Guantanamo guard who was
conned into acting as a prisoner for a training exercise
without notification to the other guards. They beat him
so badly that he will now and forever have the "sensation"
of brain damage! Oh yeah - we're not doing anything
that needs to be secret!
And don't forget Rumsfeld and his attempt to belittle the
stress-positions criticizm, "sometimes I have to stand for 8
hours". Guess what? If he had been beaten like Mr. Dilawar
at Bagram (See "Taxi To The Darkside") it would have been
all he could do. After four days of beatings, our guys
couldn't even force his legs to bend - they were that
swollen.......and then he died. As our own military
examiner said, "pulpified".
Get this stuff out in the open, admit it - and never
ever let us carry out these policies again!
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wtagg8 months, 3 weeks ago
Sandy doing something wrong does not change the fact that this is wrong. I'm having a hard time understanding what Obama has to do with this either.
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consareidiots8 months, 3 weeks ago
"What Secret documents did Sandy Berger Destroy for BJ Bill and Swift Boat hillary clinton?"
OK Here we go again. Using a previous act to justify another. What proof if there of anything being destroyed?
Isn't Swift Boat a republican tactic used on Kerry??
"The clinton's are very decptive liars..."
ROFLMAO And the Bush administration isn't?? When are we going to start holding our highest elected officials responsible for their actions??
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tchef8 months, 3 weeks ago
We are not talking about the Clintons here. As bad as they where, they never did as much damage to this country as the current administration has done.
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MisterX8 months, 3 weeks ago
I'm surprised that this is still getting any more attention. I was sure this was swept under the carpet, to be replaced by Iran/China/economy/gay marriage/(insert your favorite fate category here).
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AnteUp8 months, 3 weeks ago
crghss ~
Okay - I knew it was an overstatement when I typed it - I
should have known that you would notice! But, please -
won't testify without immunity? Where does refusing to
testify before Congress fit in your estimation of a person's
character? When do the above-board, straight-forward people
show up to account to us? After they have received plenty
of coverage for their sorry *sses? We, the people of the
United States deserve more than what ever scraps the OVP
and the President finally decide to throw us.
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abntv8 months, 3 weeks ago
THeres blood in the water again..and the sharks are circling. Some of the posts I have read here range from rediculus to just plain moronic. The bleeding hearts are out in force once again. Waterboarding raises its torture head again. Waterboarding is not torture. Most of you people have no idea what real torture is. 90% of you would think having your visa card taken away was torture. Nowhere in any treaty document is waterboarding listed as torture. Get a life and get over it.
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djn3nunez38 months, 3 weeks ago
.... Waterboarding is not torture.
Art. 27. Protected persons are entitled, in all circumstances, to respect for their persons, their honour, their family rights, their religious convictions and practices, and their manners and customs. They shall at all times be humanely treated, and shall be protected especially against all acts of violence or threats thereof and against insults and public curiosity.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/His...
Making a person feel like they are going to be drown to death is an action of violence. It is not humane treatment.
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Candida8 months, 3 weeks ago
abntv:"Nowhere in any treaty document is waterboarding listed as torture"
Which torture methods are listed? Does it claim to be an exhaustive list?
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tchef8 months, 3 weeks ago
How bad does something have to be to be considered torture? From what I've seen and read about waterboarding I wouldn't want it done to me.
When you question someone like that do they tell you the truth, or just what they think you want to hear to make you stop. And can you tell the difference?
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unome28 months, 3 weeks ago
This seems like torture to me.
A recent American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) posting of one of forty-four US military autopsy reports reads as follows: "Final Autopsy Report: DOD 003164, (Detainee) Died as a result of asphyxia (lack of oxygen to the brain) due to strangulation as evidenced by the recently fractured hyoid bone in the neck and soft tissue hemorrhage extending downward to the level of the right thyroid cartilage. Autopsy revealed bone fracture, rib fractures, contusions in mid abdomen, back and buttocks extending to the left flank, abrasions, lateral buttocks. Contusions, back of legs and knees; abrasions on knees, left fingers and encircling to left wrist. Lacerations and superficial cuts, right 4th and 5th fingers.
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unome28 months, 3 weeks ago
Also, blunt force injuries, predominately recent contusions (bruises) on the torso and lower extremities. Abrasions on left wrist are consistent with use of restraints. No evidence of defense injuries or natural disease. Manner of death is homicide. Whitehorse Detainment Facility, Nasiriyah, Iraq."
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gregory-hagans8 months, 3 weeks ago
Maybe they should waterboard him to find out who he's protecting and why.
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skyking2p8 months, 3 weeks ago
what a very sad day it is in America that we have to even discuss if Americans have tortured people in there custody. If it wasn't torture what did they find it necessary to destroy the tapes. This goes to the very core of what America is. Does anyone else here think that torture is a form of terrorism?
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eugenegerard8 months, 3 weeks ago
Don't ever think this guy didn't have ORDERS. They are trying to hang this on him.
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fishifanb8 months, 3 weeks ago
"Other intelligence officials familiar with Goss' thinking say he recommended against the tapes' destruction. But they would not discuss the dispute publicly . . ."
I imagine Porter Goss screamed at the top of his lungs
No Please Don't! Stop! Don't!, Stop! Please Don't Stop! Please!
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Tcaros8 months, 3 weeks ago
The problems we currently face are the result of intelligence services being out of control. There are so many things they can do without the Congress or the Senate knowing. Everyone is led to believe that they are always acting in our best interest. The truth is that there is a long history of abuse by some. The oversight does not effectively track their actions.
When did the illegal domestic spying start? Who authorized it in violation of the Constitution? Who's father was former head of the CIA?
Here's a hint: the current administration has used "signing statements" to cover up breaking our laws and violating the Constitutional rights of Americans.
Here's another hint: Who's vice President was a former advisor to Nixon.
What would have happened if it was revealed prior to 9/11 that the government was spying on it's own citizens?
The only way to keep people from going to jail would be to legalize it. And that's where the war on terror comes in handy.
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nikkibabe8 months, 3 weeks ago
Hey, how about waterboarding these CIA crooks so they will tell the truth. If it worked for the "suspected" terrorists, it will definitely work for "confirmed" crooks!!!!...
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Tcaros8 months, 3 weeks ago
The illegal domestic spying is the crown jewel. It's not for protecting Americans.
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Tcaros8 months, 3 weeks ago
We should demand a full investigation. Unfortunately it is likely a diversion tactic.
Here's how the illegal (technology) surveillance is used. They use it on a future nominee; a potential Attorney General or Supreme Court nominee, or other. They look for something to use should that person be placed in the position. This is likely the reason less than ethical people are appointed. The result is that the person will do whatever they are told not to have their weakness (or illegal conduct) exposed. Do you think this administration would appoint someoene they didn't have dirt on?
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ework8 months, 3 weeks ago
Marine officers and F.B.I. agents have said children 13 years old have been tortured at Guantanamo.They were forced to stand on their knees with hands bound behind their backs until defecating and urinating on themselves. Then were kicked and smeared in the filth. This Administration should be impeached and all information tuned over to the World Court.
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