Politics – Presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain trails Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in hypothetical matchups, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll released on Wednesday.
Polls can be manipulated to provide whatever outcome is desired.
"McCain, endorsed by U.S. President George W. Bush, fares poorly against Clinton and Obama among Americans who disapprove of the president and Americans opposing the war, The Washington Post said." That line says it all. So many Americans have an outright hatred of G.W.Bush and that fact alone appears to be driving their decisions.
The Dem's. talk of "change"...but really do not explain exactly what that means... One is left to draw their own conclusions on that. I hope the definition comes soon from both Clinton and Obama.
what is "change"?
glad you asked that. the majority of americans believe that Duh-bya is a failure of epic proportions as President. (approval ratings that are below 20%) the republican candidate for the Presidency, John McCain, offers little more than 4 more years of the same. NO THANK YOU!
what change is is simple: its a president that realizes Bush has done major damage to our country and will work to undo it, who puts americanS before corporate masters. either candidate, on their worst day, will be better for america than more of the same.
also, for republicans mocking "change" and asking what "change" means. dont forget, the Duh-cider ran on "change", and yall were thrilled to vote for the Idiot, TWICE, without ever asking what "change" meant.
we understand, change, to you, meant NOT Clinton. change, to us, means NOT Duh-bya or a copycat, which is all McCains offering.
McCain did not seem so bad. But by accepting the endorsement of Bush I have doubts about him. If he were smart he would have refused the endorsement, unless he thinks the 19% of the people who view Bush favorably can get him elected.
he could have done the same as Obama with Farrakan's(sp) endorsement.. acknowledged from a distance, thanked him and DROPPED IT....
instead McCain trotted up to the Rose Garden.. and put on a smiley face to the man who smeared him to get in elected in 2000 and who's ass he has been kissing ever since.....
might have been a hero once.. but has absolutely no back bone now...
Barak Obama will have Farrahkan to contend with whether he denounced his endorsement or not. He has ties to Farrahkan that go way back. 20 years. Chicago knows a lot more about this man then he is willing to talk about. He was a rather poor Community Activist who, with the help of some rather murky benefactors has millions to run for President, and lives in a huge Mansion is an exclusive neighborhood. What are his ties to the Nation of Islam, and why would a rich Syrian, and an Iraqi businessman give so much money to a rather non descript young law student?
He went beyond denouncing his endorsement. He denounced Farrahkan's discriminatory language, inflammatory nature and racism.
I didn't see McCain criticize or denounce Bush's actions that have put this country at more risk for terrorist attacks or in the hole of a recession. Or even speak about the numerous violations of law and the constitution.
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The General election hasn't started yet. McCain will spend the summer making friends with the voters, naming his vice President, and talking about his plans for the country. Clinton, and Obama will spent the summer bloodying each other up trying to eke out that last delegate before the Convention. Life is good.
not sure if those are blinders or rose-colored glasses youre wearing there ani. but hey, whatever makes you feel better.
what are YOU gonna do this summer? if i had to guess, id say you and all cons will spend it trying to forget how the conservative pundits savaged McCain early on, and how YOU and all the other see-thru cons here cheered them on as they did so. (you guys are just SO cute sometimes)
then youll all try and forget how, first, your group was for biden, then thompson, then huckabee, then ANYONE BUT MCCAIN. some went do far as to say theyd "stay home", or even worse, they said theyd vote for "that b*tch," before they finally said theyd vote for McCain. which we ALWAYS knew is what cons were gonna do anyway.
if you try really, really hard, by nov you just might convince yourselves you were for John all along, maybe. but, (and you can count on this) we'll be reminding you EVERY STEP OF THE WAY!
yall have a nice summah now, ya heah?
Not unless the Democrats draft a better candidate than the two they are offering up today. Gore would be good. I think McCain is to Liberal, but Obama, and Clinton are off the charts Liberal.
irrelevant.
McCains chances are ALMOST as good as the proverbial snowball in h*lls chances are.
i can NOT believe how totally clueless conservatives are about this election. are yall living in denial? or does your "thinking" ONLY allow you to see your own perspective?
heres the deal: this election, no matter HOW much cons want to believe otherwise, is about TWO things and TWO things ONLY:
1. The War: Americans are OVERWHELMINGLY against continuing the failed policies of the bush administration. all McCain offers is more of the same, and americans arent buying it!
2. bill was right when he said, "its the ecomony, stupid." unless youre in the top income bracket (which 90 % of americans are NOT) the economy sucks! and its the fault of 8 years of bushs economic policies. McCain thinks the way to help american families in this economy is to make bushs tax cuts for the rich and corporate america permanent. americans arent buying THAT either!
"McCains chances are ALMOST as good as the proverbial snowball in h*lls chances are."
You apparently didn't notice McCain trailed in polls in the Republican primaries pretty much right up until he secured the nomination. Six months ago I'm sure you would have said the same of his chances of being nominated. Yet, here we are.
Recent polls also showed Obama leading Clinton in Ohio. Reality proved otherwise. So much for public opinion polls lol.
actually, he was always gonna be the nominee. was never a doubt. romney was a flash in the pan, who, along with rudy, has flip flopped so many times, on so many issues, that they are dizzy. thompson? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! please! you have NO idea how hard we libs were laughing as cons tried to breath life into a walking corpse! ron who? tancredo, LOL he made ron paul look like a frontrunner. and as for huckabee, you can just forget it, itll NEVER happen. i cant see america electing an elmer gantry anyway, but especially when they are dumb enough to talk about amending the constitution to agree with god. can you say theocracy? they have one of those in Iran. hows that working for them?
And, the same with Hillary. Many wondered why she didn't give it up in the last few weeks, but she stuck to it, and has come back a bit. It's not over til it's over, right?
But I have to say, I have a sister who's always been a staunch Republican, and a few other Republican friends who think McCain has an uphill battle this November. I don't care about his age, really, that's not important or relevant. It's his ideas, and opinions, just like Hillary's or Barack's, that matter.
absolutely right!
Recent polls also showed Obama leading Clinton in Ohio. Reality proved otherwise. So much for public opinion polls lol.>>>>
Ahh, but you're assuming that those who were polled voted in the primary. Most people don't go to primaries. And from all the numbers, less republicans do than democrats. Maybe the conservatives didn't like their choices, so didn't bother, lol.
hilarious,
McCain trailed in the polls? What polls were that?
Six months ago (September) the GOP candidate to beat was Giuliani and "conservatives" were waiting for Thompson to finally get it on, so to speak. Romney was just gearing up and was breathing down the neck of Giuliani and McCain was the also ran behind Paul. Every GOPer on Propeller was having a gay old time predicting that every candidate but McCain, whom they detested, had a great chance to carry the Conservative banner forward. They quoted Rush's missives like gospel and up to last week the Fat Guy was still singing the blues about McCain's lack of Conservative credentials, which all of you were nodding your heads up and down like virtual Bobble Head Dolls.
You guys don't know Jack sh*t!
You may not want to count your chickens before they hatch. Imagine this scenario:
Clinton is nominated to run against McCain. The Independents look at McCain, who seems to have been groomed as a "maverick" to run against Clinton, and they look at Clinton. Clinton appears as party establishment. The Independents decide they do want change and remember McCain's financial situation and issues and decide that Clinton has more lobbyist dollars then McCain does, particularly after remembering anti-lobbyist legislation of McCain's. At the same time a terrorist attack strikes the United States or one of our close allies. The Independents decide to vote for the former PoW over Clinton. The fact is that Clinton is beatable by McCain. Obama not so much, something truly remarkable would have to happen for Obama to lose. He can attract more Independents then McCain can.
This is true, but there are two other points to consider. First, it's true Hillary won't win over Independents, but she will unite the Democratic Party. In fact, she has a higher approval rating among Democrats than even Obama does. McCain, on the other hand, decidedly divides the Republican Party. In fact, quite a few conservatives and Evangelicals supported Huckabee until the very end. So McCain may be able to win over Independents, but he may not be able to win over his own base. If McCain can't energize his base, I'm not sure he will have enough to win.
Secondly, both Hillary Clinton and Obama are (1) out-fundraising McCain and (2) breaking records for voter turnout. This alone is troubling news for McCain supporters.
But this is all moot anyway because by November we'll only have two choices: a Democrat or a liberal RINO. McCain is the candidate the Republican establishment did NOT want to win. So anyway you look at it, the public has spoken and the neocons have lost.
Wow, that's a pretty warped perception you have there, ybdog.
Do you have a data-supported counterargument to contribute, or is this feeble response really all you can muster?
yb,
Leave her alone. She still can't get over the fact that Thompson quit, Giuliani only brought a noun, a verb, and 9/11, and Romney's flip flopped like a halibut left them cold. Now she must swallow the bitter pill that she needs to vote for McCain. She's hoping that Rush will provide her with an alternative that will make that pill go down better. And as a former addict, Rush may yet have a medicinal alternative few of us know about.
The thing is with McCain energizing his base... Clinton, if nominated, will end up doing that for him. McCain would have a hugely difficult time beating Obama. Clinton would be the Democrats choosing to make it a close race. She energizes the GOP base and the Democrats lose alot of Independents and younger voters. Alot of Democrats might stay home because McCain is seen as acceptable to alot of the conservative Democrats. Its difficult to find a Republican finding a Clinton acceptable and they'll turn out in droves to vote for McCain over Clinton. Also if McCain keeps his campaign clean he can play off the "Clinton" factor. The "Clinton Factor" being the belief that the Clinton's play dirty politics. If he seems to be attempting to keep it clean it will play in his favor.
MDLAR:
"McCain energizing his base...Clinton will end up doing that for him."
I don't know if that's true. Quite a few Republicans are outspoken against him.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/us/politics/1...
"Mr. Rush Limbaugh held out little hope that Mr. McCain could sway him to his side. 'It's entirely possible I will go the distance without saying I support a candidate,' he said."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/01...
"Ann Coulter said she is prepared to campaign on Clinton's behalf should McCain win the party's nomination. 'John McCain is not only bad for Republicanism, which he definitely is รข;; he is bad for the country,' she said. Coulter is the latest high profile conservative to express dismay with McCain's surging candidacy. 'He is not the choice of conservatives.' Rush Limbaugh said."
It's entirely possible that in the end, you may be right--there is hope McCain can unite his party. However, that is not the case yet and it's certainly not a given.
MDLAR:
"McCain would have a hugely difficult time beating Obama. Clinton would be the Democrats choosing to make it a close race."
That's true. Obama both unites the Democratic Party AND steals Independents from McCain. He also appeals to the black vote, which could help him steal Southern states with a high black population (like South Carolina). Clinton and Obama both match up well against McCain, with Obama being the even better matchup.
MDLAR:
"Alot of Democrats might stay home."
That is not what the current data suggests. The current data shows BOTH Clinton and Obama setting records for voter turnout. There are no indications that Democrats this enthusiastic to vote for Clinton (or Obama) in a primary will fail to appear for the general election.
Good analysis. McCain accepting Bush's endorsement along with the desire of some democrats to give the nomination to Clinton make no sense. Both are attempts to give the election to the opposing party.
Simply put if the democrats want to win in the least expensive and easiest way they need to nominate Obama. If McCain wants to win he needs to distance himself from the Bush that even many republicans hate and he needs to pray daily that gasoline does not hit and stay above $4 A Barrel as that would be the final coffin nail for McCain.
That's hilarious. McCain a RINO? He bucked most of the party on a few high profile items, true, but he's got a 75% to 80% average score from the American Conservative Union.
You're point about turnout, while interesting, is irrelevant. The Democrats have a closely contested battle; McCain had it all but locked up long ago.
Finally, in truth Hillary would be the tougher candidate to beat. Obama is the real flash in the pan, and as people are getting to see behind his rockstar facade, they are beginning to depart. The Jewish community in this country will back McCain over Obama, Latinos are not turned off by him, and conservatives will look at a moderate-conservative like McCain and a corrupt socialist like Obama and it will be no contest. McCain wins on the order close to Bush 1988.
JOSE
"That's hilarious. McCain a RINO?"
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/01...
"Exit polls from the early-primary states have shown the he has consistently lost among those primary voters who identify themselves as conservative. 'McCain is not the choice of conservatives,' Limbaugh said."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/us/politics/1...
"'What he has got to be concerned with,' Mr. Limbaugh said of Mr. McCain, 'is all these Republican voters who say right now they're so fed up they're not going to vote at all.'"
JOSE:
"You're point about turnout, while interesting, is irrelevant."
No, it's VERY relevant. Last I checked, elections were still won by votes. Democrats are so hungry to boot Republicans from the White House, they are showing up in record numbers for BOTH Clinton and Obama. You have ZERO EVIDENCE to prove these very same Democrats will fail to vote in a general election.
JOSE:
"The Jewish community in this country will back McCain over Obama, Latinos are not turned off by him, and conservatives will look at a moderate-conservative like McCain and a corrupt socialist like Obama and it will be no contest."
Again, you provide ZERO EVIDENCE of how the Jewish community will vote. You provide ZERO EVIDENCE of how Latinos will vote.
What's even more laughable is that you level the charge of corruption against Obama, who has NEVER been investigated for corruption. FYI, it is Rezko, NOT Obama, who is under investigation. Likewise, it was an Obama aide, NOT Obama himself, who may or may not have made remarks about NAFTA.
Let me give you some facts to contest what Jose says. I happen to be from a Jewish family with extended relatives of almost 50 people. So far each and every one of them will vote democrat no matter which candidate wins. We argue constantly about who is better Obama or Clinton, but at the end of the day everyone of us will vote for the one nominated.
If that is anything typical of middle class jewish families in this country then their vote will be overwelmingly for democrats no matter which one.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4365942&...
"Obama is not considered a target of the Rezko investigation, and the Obama campaign says it has donated to charity some $160,000 that can be traced to Rezko. Jay Stewart, the executive director of the Chicago Better Government Association, acknowledges Obama was 'a cut above' most state legislators and reliably supported ethics legislation."
This negative publicity is merely a political ploy to denigrate Obama, even though he hasn't been charged or accused of wrongdoing himself. Contrast this with Clinton and McCain both of whom have been investigated for corruption--Clinton for Whitewater and McCain for the Keating 5 scandal.
But by all means if you have evidence of Obama himself being involved in corruption and bribery, then by all means, POST IT. Show me evidence of a quid pro quo relationship by posting ONE BILL Obama pushed through Congress that directly benefited Rezko. It's time for you to put up or shut up.
First, it's true Hillary won't win over Independents, but she will unite the Democratic Party. In fact, she has a higher approval rating among Democrats than even Obama does.>>>>
lol, I don't think so.
Obama may be more beatable then you think. The Clintons have a lawyer friend that sits on the Board at the National Enquirer. When ever they want to release some political news they call Mr Kendall. This weeks Enquirer has pages, and pages about Obama scandals. Now, I don't believe everything in the Enquirer, but millions of people do. Check it out.
where do you get this garbage? really, i want to know.... i want to tune in that comedy show.... is it rush? hannity? mAnn? billO? really ani, where do you hear all this lame cr@p that you run here to parrot before you even consider whether it makes sense or not.
how do you know thats true? (do you even care if its true or not? of course you dont) how does whoever youre parroting know its true, or do they not care either?
a story runs about obama, theres a guy who knows the clintons working there, obviously its a clinton plant. whether it is or not, right?
its a good thing im not drinking right now. im laughing so hard it would probably be coming out my nose.
You are right, of course, IcCaRus. It's not someone named Kendall that pulls the strings for the Clinton's. The guy at National Enquirer who plants stuff for the Clinton's is Roger Altman. See John Edwards and his love affair with a filmamker for an example of how this angle is worked by NE if you're not too busy blowing your nose.
This weeks Enquirer has pages, and pages about Obama scandals.
Ani - is that between the stories of alien abduction & the 6 headed baby?
"McCains chances are ALMOST as good as the proverbial snowball in h*lls chances are"
Yes, but Bush getting a second term has showed that there must have been some Global Cooling in H**L. Don't underestimate the power of controlled media and Republican owned electronic voting systems.
not to mention good old fashion republican voter fraud. wonder how many republicans in ohio will go to jail THIS election?
Don't underestimate the power of controlled media and Republican owned electronic voting systems.>>>>
Which is what they're trying to do right now, by buying diebold. Did you know that the guy who works for McCain (the special interest guy who McCain says don't represent him) also reps for the company trying to buy diebold voting machines? But it gets even curiouser. HIS boss reps for Hillary.
Yeah, you probably read one of my other posts where I broke the story.
What do that say about serving two masters?
Yeah, you probably read one of my other posts where I broke the story. >>>>
No, I missed that. Heard it from Thom Hartmann. Couldn't find a pen fast enough to take down the names. But this is a big deal, and for the life of me don't understand why people disconnect with the importance of who handles our voting system.
No private entity should be counting the votes. Why aren't people outraged about diebold's owners being top donating republicans? Are we really so naive'? Or are we just stupid? Just thinking out loud.
don't worry Ani - that egomanic Nader & his misguided supporters will sabotage another election.
the blood of Iraq is on his hands
When the Democrats have primaries where they can vote and choose their candidate, then the Dems can complain about Republicans.
Two state's votes weren't counted because the held the primary to early??????
And then there are the "caucuses" where votes are bargained for, and there are no secret ballots, unless one is requested. But, the social pressure to not ask for a secret ballot usually prevents them.
It was a primary, Sweety. You can change your mind over, and over in the Primary. Now we know we are choosing between McCain with an 83% Conservative rating, or Hillary with a 9% Conservative rating, or Obama 100% Liberal. Not a difficult choice at all. Do you understand how we choose our nominees? It is not rocket science.
I have seen several surveys where is says he would beat Hill; I have yet to see one where he can beat Obama!
He really does not have the nomination at this point, and we are 7 months until the November election. If Hillary does not get the nomination, she, and Billy will leak bad stuff about Obama, his wife, his dog, or his bird if he has one, but they will sabotage his election in November.
"If Hillary does not get the nomination, she, and Billy will leak bad stuff"
i see anis ahead of schedule.... already throwing accusations for something that hasnt even happened.
and, now heres the beauty part, shes already trying to lay the groundwork for blaming any mudslinging McCain will do (in a possible McCain vs Obama race) on a defeated and vengeful hillary and bill.
wow, prophesy, mudslinging, and character assassination all in one post. talk about bang for your buck!
Don't forget that Hillary has the support of Rush and Ann Coulter.
Uh huh...right.
Limbaugh and Coulter support Hillary like I would support McCain. Reverse psychology by these two is actually fun to watch and listen to, but you know in their hearts they will support McCain more than any Dem, anywhere.
"you know in their hearts they will support McCain more than any Dem, anywhere."
Not true. With a Dem congress and a Dem president, they probably feel that the Republicans can reclaim the congress in two years, and the white house two years after that. And given that the Dems cannot possibly do a good job, they're probably right.
McCain will spend the summer trying to side-step Bush's endorsement.