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    DanmLiberals5 months, 1 week ago

    Ya let's get someone in there that for the last 20 years has been listening to "whitey is the Devil". That's great for Americans.

    If he were a white man attending the same sermons about black people, he would never have this opportunity. Fock Obama. He is a racist pig.

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      Grrr5 months, 1 week ago

      I don't think anyone has to guess who the racist pig is, DL.

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        djrevelky5 months ago

        Right, everyone knows the racist pig is Obama...his pastor and wife say so.

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          ybdogsct5 months ago

          DJREVEKLY:

          "everyone knows the racist pig is Obama...his pastor and wife say so."

          Post a direct quote of Obama uttering a racist remark. Go ahead. I'll wait for your proof. In the meantime, here's something for you to chew on:

          http://news.propeller.com/story/2008/04/04/mcca...

          "Speaking at a ceremony marking the 40th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s death, John McCain said Friday he was wrong to initially oppose a government holiday in memory of the civil rights leader. The comments were met with audible boos and interruptions from many in the audience, as he apologized for repeatedly opposing the creation of a holiday honoring MLK."

          http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,259282,00.html

          "McCain used the term 'tar baby.' He said he hoped it wouldn't be viewed as a racial remark."

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          ybdogsct5 months ago

          http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml

          "On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, 'I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live.'"

          http://archive.salon.com/politics2000/feature/2...

          "Richard Quinn, McCain's chief South Carolina advisor in 2000, who edits a racially controversial magazine called Southern Partisan called Nelson Mandela a 'terrorist' and King a man 'whose role in history was to lead his people into a perpetual dependence on the welfare state, a terrible bondage of body and soul.' In another piece, Quinn said of former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, 'What better way to reject politics as usual than to elect a maverick like David Duke?'"

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          ybdogsct5 months ago

          http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?AC...

          In the 2000 presidential campaign, McCain reversed himself on the confederate flag first calling it 'a symbol of racism and slavery' but then pandering the very next day by calling it a 'symbol of heritage.'

          McCain campaigned in Alabama for George Wallace Jr., a popular speaker the Council of Conservative Citizens, whose mission statement reads:

          'We believe that the U.S. derives from and is an integral part of European civilization and the European people and that the American people and government should remain European in their composition and character. We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind, to promote non-white races over the European-American people through so-called "affirmative action" and similar measures, to destroy or denigrate the European-American heritage, including the heritage of the Southern people, and to force the integration of the races.'"

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          ybdogsct5 months ago

          Your oversimplistic argument belies your partisan double standard.

          http://www.actupny.org/YELL/falwell.html

          "FALWELL: Pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays, lesbians, the ACLU, and People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped 9/11 happen.

          ROBERTSON: I totally concur."

          http://www.harpers.org/archive/2005/08/0080695

          PAT ROBERTSON: "The Antichrist is probably a Jew alive in Israel today."

          http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson

          PAT ROBERTSON: "Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals; the two things seem to go together."

          "You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense, I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist"

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          ybdogsct5 months ago

          Mike Huckabee DEFENDS Wright and Obama.

          http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...

          "'[Y]ou can't hold the candidate responsible for everything that people around him may say or do,' Huckabee says. 'Many times those were statements lifted out of the context of a larger sermon. Rev. Wright got caught up in the emotion of the moment. As easy as it is for those of us who are white to look back and say "That's a terrible statement!" I grew up in a very segregated South. And I think that you have to cut him some slack.'

          Huckabee, who grew up in the segregated South, added that if he had experienced the kind of discrimination African Americans have in American history, he would probably have become bitter.

          'Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment,' he said. 'And you have to just say, I probably would too. In fact, I may have had more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me.'"

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            Searchbeam5 months ago

            ybdogsct,

            You hit the nail right on the head!

            There is group of people who come here, and under the cloak of anonymity, spew their racial hatred and pseudo-religious venom. In the past, they used to be called KKK.

            Now they are burning their crosses in cyberspace on the lawns of freedom and running into the darkness of obscurity.

            I think it is the reincarnation of that evil!

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              slate5 months ago

              So if White people speak up against Black racism they are Racist? Man you should think about joining one of those French Circus groups, I hear they need contortionists.

              MLK would be ashamed about the direction his cause has taken.

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            Ratskii5 months ago

            Well researched and well said bydogsct. Thank you

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          slate5 months ago

          Speaking at a ceremony marking the 40th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s death, John McCain said Friday he was wrong to initially oppose a government holiday in memory of the civil rights leade

          Soooo because at the time he thought the fprmer president's Birthdays were more important than MKL getting a day that makes him a racist?

          Though MLK has done a great service to this country, not have a 'special' day doesn't make him less so neither does it make anyone that disagrees with EVERYTHING he said or with any policy that Obama feels is right,,,, those things don't make others racist,,,,, but calling Condi Rice a house ni**er,,,, white people crackers and a host of other vile things does make Wright one,,,,, sitting and listening to that for 20 years make one stupid if not culpable.

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          doppich5 months ago

          djrevelky, you need to visit some Obama blogs. They will eagerly inform you that there are only two types of people in America: Obamafans and racist pigs. But, hey! A sty can be comfortable, and it keeps the Obamabots out as well as us pigs in...

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      newbie04205 months ago

      His pastor is but I doubt Obama is.

      I must admit I lost a lot of respect for Obama when he tried defending what the guy said, but I don't think it makes Obama a racist.

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        djrevelky5 months ago

        I do. You don't listen to that bs for 20 years OR bring your children into it if you don't agree.

        If I sent my children to a church, a school, a public park, or an ice cream vendor where someone in charge was saying "Goddamn America!" and saying racist things about black people I would NEVER let them go there again.

        You don't introduce your children into that unless you agree.

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          newbie04205 months ago

          Good point.

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            Ratskii5 months ago

            No it isn't. The GOP searched thousands of hours of Rev. Wrights sermons and only came up with a couple of questionable items. Most of Wrights sermons had nothing even the likes of dj, saint, and the various ...libs... posters could interpret as racist.

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              slate5 months ago

              Hey Rat,,,,,

              All I can say is the little 65-second statement Trent Lott uttered a few years back during a farewell party. He was tossed out on his ear, as he should have been.

              Why was that 65 seconds worthy of Trent being labeled a 'racist' and losing his prominence yet somehow the many many more lengthy rants by Wright is somehow supposed to be looked past?

              ET, you know that Obama later admitted to hearing a 'few' of those things. Even one time would be too many times if Obama were a White politician. How can you on the left be so two faced after all this time talking against overt racism?

              The only thing I can come up with is you guys think the whites deserve what they get and should take it because of things done by others in the past. I guess my grandchildren and their children; grandchildren will endlessly have to Pay for the sins of generations past as well?

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            ETproductions5 months ago

            newbie0420 wrote: "Good point."

            No, it is typical ConMan spin. Wright didn't spend 20 years preaching those few 30 second sound bytes. Furthermore, Obama said he never heard any of these before they broke in the press, and if he had heard them, he would have confronted Wright and left the church if the Pastor didn't recant those statements.

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              mivan45 months ago

              Yea, Then he latter admitted being present at some of those hate speeches!

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                ETproductions5 months ago

                No he did not. He said he had heard Wright say controversial things. Take any preacher who is a fiery orator, and you will hear them say some controversial things.

                If you really want to keep this flap alive forever, you are either going to have to preach it only to your own ConMan choir, or stock to the truth. The longer you keep repeating your lies, the more those who aren't taken in by it see YOU for what you are.

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            djrevelky5 months ago

            We Republicans prefer to burn strawmen then our flag or our soldiers in effigy.

            But...where is the strawman we are burning here? I haven't seen one.

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            slate5 months ago

            You act like a two minute clip of Wright sums up the totality of Wright's career.

            Can you say Trent Lott?

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              MonkeyBiz5 months ago

              Trent Lott was a US Senate Majority Leader that openly stated that the US would be better off if an avowed racist had won the presidency in 1948. You know, before Brown vs. the Board of Education, before the voting rights act, before blacks were allowed to sit anywhere on the bus and all these other unpleasant occurrances that upset good Christian white people. Senate Majority Leader Lott was just reminiscing about the good old days huh? No big deal. He was only the head dog of the United States Senate.

              The Rev. Wright is NOT a national leader, and he is NOT running for public office. You are trying to make an orange look like a rotten apple.

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                slate5 months ago

                ((You act like a two minute clip of Wright sums up the totality of Wright's career.))

                For God's sake Messed Up will you please read what I'm saying to Who or which post before you go into your nonsense?

                Lot's career was summed up with a much shorter snipit,,,, and I was pointing out that indeed WRIGHT's career is summed up with his many statements that weren't fond thoughs but blatant vitriol. Wherther he is a national leader doesn't matter, he is connected to the hip of one, and has been that 'leaders' spiritual leader,,, so it does matter what he says in public,,,,,, you can only imagine what he has said to Obama in private if he is so bold as to what he says in public.

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            ybdogsct5 months ago

            MORIBUL:

            "Obamossama claims that in his 20 years association with this man, he never saw or heard him say such things: BIG HUMONGOUS FAT LIE!"

            No, you misconstrue.

            Obama never claimed that Wright never used incendiary language; he only claimed he had never heard that particular sermon that was circulating the web.

            http://mediamatters.org/items/200803200004

            "Several media figures have falsely claimed that Sen. Barack Obama contradicted previous statements when he said during a March 18 speech on race: "Did I ever hear him [Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's former pastor] make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in the church? Yes." In fact, Obama previously asserted he had not been present for particular statements Wright made that were repeated by various media outlets and that spurred the recent controversy. He did not claim to have never heard Wright make "remarks that could be considered controversial."

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            ybdogsct5 months ago

            "Obama did not reverse himself on the issue of whether he had been present when Wright made specific comments that have received widespread attention and sparked the controversy to which he was responding. Rather, Obama said during the speech that he had been in church when Wright made 'remarks that could be considered controversial.' By contrast, in a March 14 column for The Huffington Post, Obama wrote that he had not been present for the particular statements that had become 'the cause of this controversy.'"

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          slate5 months ago

          DJ

          Why you surely must be a racist for pointing that out!

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        slate5 months ago

        Bubba Smith is the local dogcatcher in rural USA. He has attended XYZ for close to 17 years. The congregation's is Pastor Ezekiel 'Zeke' Jones. It's common knowledge that old Zeke has a problem with 'certain' groups, especially one. How is this known?

        For almost two decades the town has been treated to that message on many a Sunday. Bubba sat up front, in a prominent place befitting his 'status' as a politician. He, along with the rest of the congregation not only did not walk out in protest to the blatant overt racial message coming from the pulpit, they stomped, cheered and screamed Amen to said message.

        The next election cycle comes and Babba decides to run for Mayor. In the midst of the race, a video comes out showing the vile racist things said by the esteemed Pastor Zeke. (continued)

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          slate5 months ago

          At first Bubba claims he never heard these things, then he admits he had heard a few of the things and that hearing them doesn't mean he's a racist. In fact, he tries to say that ole Zeke was just talking out loud about how White folks feel about the topic at hand.

          Heck the Pastor calling them a ******* don't mean nothing, that's just what we call them round here, there was no offense meant.

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            slate5 months ago

            And that thing about calling one of em's father a Typical Black man because he got his girlfriend pregnant and then bailed, well it's true, isn't that 'typical'? Besides, though I was there and I heard those things, it doesn't mean that I 'agree' with them, I just wasn't strong enough in my convictions of right and wrong to stand up and call it for what it was. I really think you saying that me not doing so would by any means implies that I wouldn't make a good Mayor and not have every citizen's interest in mind 'no matter the color of their skin' as I hold office.

            Question?

            Is Bubba a racist and deserves to be scorned or is he innocent and deserves a break?

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      Blackacereturn5 months ago

      Damn you are a jackass, wow it seems like I have said that to you every time you open your mouth. When you can show me where Obama said anything hateful then will agree with you, until then stop with your hate and race bating silly child like crap! It's an insult that the likes of you are passing judgment on this good man! When you are ready to renounce all the past republican presidents that had jerry farwell and his likes at their inauguration then I will see your point. What Wright said is his opinion it will take an Idiot to apply it to another person. What Obama believe is what he says not what I say or you say or Wright says, this is the thinking of a smart person.

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        djrevelky5 months ago

        Actually no, the thinking of a smart person is you do not force young children to listen to hate speech unless you agree with it.

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          Mdiar5 months ago

          Nader is a blow-hard...

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          Blackacereturn5 months ago

          I am not voting for Obama because I am black, i am doing so because i think he is the best candidate for our country! I started this campaign being in the Clinton's corner if you would like proof i can grant you access to all of my post! The last i look she was white! i have voted for her and her husband. I voted for NY mayor who happens to be let's see WHITE and a GOPer...well he was at the time. Why you might ask because he was good for our city as Obama will be for our country. Unlike you my country comes before my race and party.

          For wanting real change, what makes you think that Obama is not about real change? I hope you are not speaking about the kind of change we got under Bush anymore of that type of change and we will not have a country to Change! You are making assumptions that I don't vote which confirms my thinking you are no better than Damn you however might be the hole of that jackass.

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          slate5 months ago

          Well Obama SAID that the typical white person is a racist.

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              Blackacereturn5 months ago

              Ok you two smart people have put your finger on it he is a racist and his intent is to enslave all whites...oh and i have a bridge for sale it's call the Brooklyn bridge you can charge tole and make your money back quick.

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  tchef5 months, 1 week ago

  I think that the Clinton machine is running out of steam. She just doesn't have the popular support. With out that she's doomed.

  As this primary drags out people have been reminded of the scandals and polarizing nature of the Clinton's. We just don't want it again. That is not what this country needs.

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    rightfromwrong5 months, 1 week ago

    If Obama wins it will be a refreshing change for America.This preacher did a lot of harm and Obama should not be held accountable for what he says.The preacher was likely correct in calling America evil as more and more proof indicated the the Administration was at least complicit in the 9-11 attacks and were able to use the right wing media to justify a war which we know is an out right invasion and occupation. Saddam was not affiliated with Al Qaeda and there were WMD. American corporations supplied Iraq with poisonous gas to use on Iran in their war because Iran was going to win. Saddam was their alley against fundamentalism

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      libsRfunny5 months ago

      "The preacher was likely correct in calling America evil as more and more proof indicated the the Administration was at least complicit in the 9-11 attacks and were able to use the right wing media to justify a war which we know is an out right invasion and occupation."

      Someone's been gulping serious quantities of Kool-Aid. What an idiotic statement! Clearly, you do not know right from wrong.

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        rightfromwrong5 months ago

        smoke some more pot idiot face and keep your head in the sand.

        You must be another neo-con who still thinks that Robert and John Kennedy were killed by single bullets. Maybe the same bullet by your logic.

        with 120 military bases world wide to steal resources from impoverished countries and supporting every little dictator who goes along with their scam. "AMERICA IS EVIL"

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            Ratskii5 months ago

            Can you say, "Pot calling the kettle black?"

            I knew ya could.

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          crghss5 months ago

          So what exactly are we stealing from, Japan, Germany, Spain, Italy, Korea, Poland. Tell me? where is this great amount of wealth that we've acquired by supporting bases around the world.

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      newbie04205 months ago

      Lemme get this traight, the big bad government was evil enough to let 9/11 happen but not evil enough to plant some WMD's in Iraq to justify the war.

      Or is the government only evil when you want it to be?

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        djrevelky5 months ago

        Shhh, don't you know that nothing has to make sense in the liberal mind?

        It's amazing that the big bad zio-con/military industrial... World Order/Masons/insert group of your choice/Jew corporations were able to pull off 9/11, the biggest conspiracy ever, without having ONE SINGLE LEAK while they are still unable to plant a WMD in Iraq 5 years after conquering it.

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          newbie04205 months ago

          LOL

          I'm guessing he will have no comeback for this, they never do.

          My buddys girlfriend and I were discussing the whole 9/11 conspiracy thing. She's a self proclaimed "truther"

          After about an hour of back and forth I finally hit her with that one and the look on her face was priceless.

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            rightfromwrong5 months ago

            Physics don't lie....you guys are just a bunch of fascists.

            Who own all the banks? Jews! Even Jesus recognized them for what they are. SHYLOCKS

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              Mdiar5 months ago

              Are these the same physics that have been debunked from Loose Change? Or are they new ones?

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            djrevelky5 months ago

            I usually get the typical clueless liberal response, they scream "Whatever!" Then run away crying and then go on Daily Kos and call US sheeps.

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            DeadXXXManXXXTalkin5 months ago

            ''able to pull off 9/11, the biggest conspiracy ever, without having ONE SINGLE LEAK while they are still unable to plant a WMD in Iraq 5 years after conquering it.''

            ''I'm guessing he will have no comeback for this, they never do.''

            Bush already admitted that no WMD's were found years ago, why in the heck would they start planting evidence after already admitting they had none?

            what in the world does having a leak free 9/11 conspiracy have to do with planting WMD's?

            If you're asking 'if they could do one, why can't they do the other?' someone could just say, well, maybe they didn't because they, uh, just didn't, not because they couldn't.

            you're asking why people couldn't have done one thing if they did another, that's not the question, the question is did they?

            There's an assumption of action there, like saying he walked to the grocery store why couldn't he have walked to the bar?

            *shrug* cause he already bought beer at the grocery?

            It's just an odd manner of thought

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          saintetienne5 months ago

          "the big bad zio-con/military industrial... World Order/Masons/insert group of your choice/Jew corporations"

          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh my god, dj, that's hysterical! Thanks for the laughs.

          How do the loony Libs on this site read the above line and not see how ridonkulously stupid they sound? I pose this question to the loony Libs: Do you REALLY believe all the wacky ideas that you parrot? I mean, it's one thing to disagree with Bush's policies, blah, blah, blah.... But to take things to the ridiculous levels that you do, with wild conspiracies about 9/11, and evil oil companies robbing every citizen of their livelihood, and a vast Zionist conspiracy trying to take over the world.... it's just DISEASED. Do you really, REALLY believe all this crap?

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            SusieQ725 months ago

            Do you ever read your posts?? Every post you make is calling someone some kind of name. Just because someone doesn't agree with what you think is correct doesn't make them an idiot or "loony". Everyone has the right to their own opinion and you have the right to disagree. But is it really necessary to name call like a child?

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            MonkeyBiz5 months ago

            You sir, are an idiot. Do you subscribe to Falwell's theory about 9-11? How about David Duke's and George Wallace's race theories? Are you still wearing a swastika armband to church? How about all the other extremist views and theories of far, far right wing lunatics and racists? Do you realize how hateful and stupid YOU sound? It's just DISEASED. Do YOU really, REALLY believe all this crap?

            Susie Q has you nailed, you are an angry little child that has no opposing argument. you only contribute name calling and ridicule.

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        slate5 months ago

        Newbie I've said that a million times here but the left ignors it as they have yours.

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      Blackacereturn5 months ago

      Which of you have seen the entire speech of this preacher.

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        djrevelky5 months ago

        I'll admit I haven't seen the entire speech, and I haven't watched any others. I don't want to fill my mind with that racist garbage. I'm white, I have an education, I'm from the South, I drive a nice car, I am judged by black people all of the time.

        Do you see me going into a church yelling "Goddamn America" and "Blacks are the devil!"? No.

        I realize that when it comes to the issue of race some people are just stupid. Some people think they are owed something because their great great great grandfather was a slave. Some people they are better than someone because who another person's great great great grandfather was.

        I don't African Americans not succeeding because "the man". I see African Americans not succedding because inner-city youths are not graduating from high school. I see the failure in blaming it on everyone else.

        Every single day in America African Americans rise to the top...if one can, then why can't they all?

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          MonkeyBiz5 months ago

          "Every single day in America African Americans rise to the top...if one can, then why can't they all?"

          So, mr. white educated southerner, are you being willfully ignorant or do you disbelieve that racism is still rampant in our country? There is a whole litany of statistics and facts about blacks in the good 'ol USA that you might want to look into before your comments label YOU as "...when it comes to the issue of race some people are just stupid."

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          DeadXXXManXXXTalkin5 months ago

          ''I'll admit I haven't seen the entire speech, and I haven't watched any others. I don't want to fill my mind with that racist garbage.''

          so if you haven't seen any of the speeches, how do you know they are racist garbage?

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          Blackacereturn5 months ago

          What the hell are you talking about djrevelky. I am educated and very rich i am black and i drive several cars i don't see your point and who here is talking about what is owed to slaves? take your guilt trip and go to the next room I here they cry for idiots there!

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        raats66625 months ago

        Which of you have seen the entire speech of this preacher.

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        I actually have seen all of the 'God damn America' sermon. And if you watch the several minutes BEFORE and the few minutes AFTER those three words have a COMPLETELY different meaning!

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        slate5 months ago

        You know Trent Lott had many good speeches that had positive messages, but that little 65 second statement he made got him smacked about politically.

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  THOMNH625 months, 1 week ago

  lets start a poll of our own here. I would like to hear what Liberals would think if the Superdelegates were to vote Hillary into the winners circle even if Obama had the popular vote and the most delegats. Remember it will be a very close race but right now it looks like this would be the only way she could win. What would you think of the Clinton's and your party in general if this happens.

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    not2needy5 months, 1 week ago

    I would still think more of the Democrats than i do of the republicans, regardless.

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      ZiegfeldGirl5 months, 1 week ago

      That wasn't the question, lol!

      I, as a Republican currently supporting Obama, will be thoroughly disgusted and will do everything within my power to make sure that witch loses, even if it means supporting McLame.

      (I feel nauseas at the thought!)

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        Codi69345 months, 1 week ago

        What is the DNC going to do when Hillary steals the nomination? The longer she says in the race, the more she damages the Democratic party as a whole. And LOOKOUT SHE ISN'T FINISHED YET!!! YOU GO GIRL , DON'T YOU GIVE UP, GO HILLARY!!

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          Grrr5 months ago

          I still fail to see how this damages the DNC at all. What, you think McCain is mopping up while this is going on? Better check again.

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            Codi69345 months ago

            The DNC is split. The longer this goes on. It doesn't matter who gets it, the other side will cry foul. McCain has to get his base in order. But, this could be the one time a candidate could win without his base behind him fully. You have one liberal republican and two liberal democrats. Consevatives really don't have a choose.

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        Grrr5 months, 1 week ago

        I don't think I could vote for her. McCain or Gravel, if possible, if she pulls it off.

        If she does pull it off, though, she will have stolen this nomination as surely as W stole his office, and I will not support that.

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          Codi69345 months ago

          You need to let that go. It has been proven ,by more then one news outlet, W won fairly. Others think the GOP is crooked, you wait with Hilldabeast. She will not go down without a fight. And she will pull every dirty trick to get it. She thinks this job is her birthright. And that is scary.

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            Grrr5 months ago

            "It has been proven ,by more then one news outlet, W won fairly."

            BULL.

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              Searchbeam5 months ago

              I was totally disgusted when I saw her show up on Jay Leno's show last night and make a joke about running under sniper fire!

              She is either an idiot to perpetuate her lie, or a totally contemptible creature who has lost its moral compass.

              Lying is bad! Making a joke about your lie is the height of hypocrisy!

              Hillary has found a new low!

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            DeadXXXManXXXTalkin5 months ago

            in the 2000 election its been proven that a large number of democrat voter names were struck and they were turned away from the polls in Florida. Florida is one of the few states where convicted felons were not allowed to vote, and somehow their names got confused with legal voters in heavily democratic areas.

            Coincidence?

            Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, who also served as CO-CHAIR of Bush's Florida campaign!! played a key role in the vote count

            Coincidence?

            Jeb Bush was the Governor of Florida

            Coincidence?

            Interviewed prior to election's end, when it looked like W would lose the election, he and his parents when interviewed, looked about as worried as a canary-bellied cat, and basically said, well, we'll see...

            Coincidence?

            lest they see with their eyes and place their fingers in the holes, yea, some will not believe

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              Codi69345 months ago

              I thought once convicted of a felony you lost the right to vote own a gun etc. That you had to re-apply for the rights once you served your sentence.

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        rightfromwrong5 months ago

        Hillary is desperate...he carries this sense of entitlement which even hard core feminists can't stand

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    NoWayMan5 months ago

    If that happens, I will immediately quit the democratic party and become an Independent.

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    MonkeyBiz5 months ago

    "...even if Obama had the popular vote and the most delegats."

    Not likely to happen. If somehow the wheels came completely off Obama's campaign (getting caught in the men's room in Minneapolis with a wide stance for instance) the supers would most likely "do what's best for the party."

    As things stand now, with Hillary hopelessly behind, and Obama with more delegates and more of the popular vote, the supers would "do what's best for the party" and nominate Obama.

    Hillary seems to come up with a different angle every day, but the supers are not stupid.

    We are the DEMOCRATIC party, not the authoritarian repugs. We still believe in democracy, not this nonsense about a non-democratic "representative republic."

    The superdelegates know that going against the popular will, as expressed by the voting, is not an option, nor would most of them want that as an option (a few rabid supporters of Hillary excepted).

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      Mdiar5 months ago

      We are the DEMOCRATIC party, not the authoritarian repugs. We still believe in democracy, not this nonsense about a non-democratic "representative republic."

      Whoa... I often agree with you. However, we are a Republic... I believe even Franklin said we were a Republic. If we were a Democracy we wouldn't have a Senate or a House. Everything would be decided by a vote of the people. We would lack representatives. In addition to this the Democratic Party even had the term "Republican" in it, placed there by none other then Thomas Jefferson. He knew we were a Republican and not a true Democracy.

      "The Democratic Party evolved from Anti-federalist factions that opposed the fiscal policies of Alexander Hamilton in the early 1790s. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison organized these factions into the Democratic-Republican Party"

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(...

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        MonkeyBiz5 months ago

        Sorry, you are confusing a true or "pure" democracy with representative democracy. Look up republic in the dictionary and you'll find that, yes indeed, we are a republic. But the two are NOT mutually exclusive. A republic ONLY means that our head of state is not a monarch.

        Our founding fathers to a man, believed that we were a republic because that's how they designed it, no kings. They also designed our government to be a representative democracy with constitutional guarantees against tyranny by the majority, a problem with a pure democracy.

        The right wing talking heads have been pushing this theory about the US not being a democracy at all, but a republic. I don't know why they are doing that. Maybe it is to justify a push for an authoritarian government that is run without interference from such silly inconveniences as popular elections and oversight. Who knows, but it is either very diabolical, or they are just uneducated and perhaps just stupid.

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          Mdiar5 months ago

          Actually, we are both correct as to what a republic is. Two definitions of Republic according to Princeton:

          "a political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them"

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          "a form of government whose head of state is not a monarch"

          http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=republic

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          Mdiar5 months ago

          Also I may have miswritten a portion of my statement. I know of the term "representative democracy" but its just another way of saying a Republic of the first sense that I stated above. My statements were accurate. We are not a pure democracy, we are a representative democracy which can also be called a Republic. If it makes you feel any better most text books call us a representative democracy as opposed to a Republic, at least the ones I've seen.

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            MonkeyBiz5 months ago

            We have no disagreement then. My complaint is with the right wing talking heads that are pushing the "republic, NOT a democracy" line. We are indeed both and I don't understand their rationale or motives for claiming that the US is not a democracy. I am highly suspicious of their anti-democracy propaganda.

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        slate5 months ago

        We are the DEMOCRATIC party, not the authoritarian repugs. We still believe in democracy, not this nonsense about a non-democratic "representative republic."

        LOL

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        cushi5 months ago

        Both Fl and Mi knew the terms of agreement before they decided to violate them. They also were aware of the consequences of their decision. There is no logical reason for rewarding them for bad behavior whatsoever! The ONLY reason Clinton is making such an issue of their votes is that she stands to gain if they are counted. The funny thing is, I believe, if they actually had a re-do, Obama would best her, so she needs to leave well enough alone.

        Furthermore, why set such a precedent and then have other states jumping on the bandwagon and deciding to move their primaries as they see fit? That would be utter chaos, indeed!

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    raats66625 months ago

    what Liberals would think if the Superdelegates were to vote Hillary into the winners circle even if Obama had the popular vote and the most delegats.

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    This has been a topic of conversation in many strings and I've said before.....It will END the Democratic Party.

    There is NO WAY that the Democrats (people NOT politicians) would support a party that did the EXACT SAME THING that the Republicans (and their Supreme Court) did in the 2000 election. Every Democrat who voted in the 2000 feels that the Supreme Court and the Republican Party pi$$ed on them (and the Constitution). There is NO WAY that they (the Democratic people) will ever support that Party. And if the Democratic Party did the same thing...game over.

    Unlike Repug who vote party line, regardless of the candidate Dem actually vote for the candidate. Republicans would vote for Osama bin Lauden as long as he was willing to 'serve the kool-aid', give kickbacks to the supporters and not raise taxes.

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  not2needy5 months, 1 week ago

  I can't figure out why she doesn't try to save face and just go home!

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    ProudBlueTexan5 months, 1 week ago

    She & Bill owe too many people. This has been i