Analysis: Time, delegate math working against Clinton »
Posted by: not2needy 4 months, 3 weeks agoTime is running out on Hillary Rodham Clinton, the long-ago front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination who now trails Barack Obama in delegates, states won and popular votes.
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not2needy4 months, 3 weeks ago
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Compounding Clinton's woes, Obama appears on track to finish the primary campaign fewer than 100 delegates shy of the 2,025 needed to win.
Clinton argues to Democratic officialdom that other factors should count, an unprovable assertion that she's more electable chief among them. But she undercut her own claim in Wednesday night's debate, answering "yes, yes, yes" when asked whether her rival could win the White House.
Dirty politics! She cut her nose off to spite her face. She and McCain will both get what they deserve.
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ETproductions4 months, 2 weeks ago
What do you mean, unprovable. Isn't the person who gets fewer popular votes, wins fewer states, badly mismanages their campaign, looses 2 to 1 at fundraising and lags way behind in committed delagates obviously more electable?
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Grrr4 months, 3 weeks ago
Had the Texas results not been so prominently hyped as a Clinton victory instead of the weak showing for her that it actually was, she would have dropped already.
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Searchbeam4 months, 3 weeks ago
Actually, Obama won More delegates in Texas than Hillary did!
She LOST Texas!
Her so-called initial win was the product of a mischief by that Lard of Right wing talk radio - Limbaugh! In Texas primary, anybody can vote in any party primary, so a lot of Republicans were persuaded by Limbaugh to vote for Hillary, so that she will become the Democratic nominee and can be easily beaten by McCain!
But when the caucus votes were counted, Obama won!
No matter how the Clintons spin it, Hillary is heading for a door marked "Exit"!
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SwampFox-82nd4 months, 3 weeks ago
Amen, my cool friends! She learned the Bush technique of always taking the low-road. I must confess, it was the dirty tricks played by her own husband who really set a bad platform for her to get her message to the voters. Barack Obama kept to the high-road, that alone sets him apart from all other candidates. Peace, we damned well deserve it!!!
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questionseverything4 months, 2 weeks ago
even when they asked obama about hillarys lie about bosnia,he let her off the hook
gotta respect him for that..i gotta admit i might of attacked right back after what they did first 45 mins
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Radiofreeeuropa4 months, 3 weeks ago
The fact that as time goes on Clinton loses support to Obama in Pa. is amazing. The Clinton machine combined with Governor Rendel's own powerful machine is operating in the red, yet at best the vote has gone from a 30% lead to 5%. Voters who meet or hear Obama personally tend to throw their support for him.
Political machines are scary remember what happened in NY? Districts in Harlem (where posters and stickers supporting Obama were numerous) registered ZERO votes for him... really zero? That's hard to believe.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02162008/news/regio...
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Searchbeam4 months, 3 weeks ago
Hillary is desperate!
The whole Clinton apparatus has been going full force to defeat Obama, but it is back-firing in a big way!
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Radiofreeeuropa4 months, 3 weeks ago
I think Clinton's strategy is to strong-arm the superdelegates, it's really the only hope. But it would make all the new 1st time voters who literally doubled the participation in democratic primaries turn away never to return in disgust. Obama is the future, we desperately need someone who inspires the participation and involvement of the citizensif we ever want to break the stranglehold special interests have on DC. He has been the only candidate in my lifetime who demonstrated he can do just that.
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icono14 months, 3 weeks ago
Just curious about something;
With out Mich and Fla in the mix how does this play out for the Democrats when the Democratic candidate takes on the Republicans for the White House? It would seem that those two state would have to be 'accounted for' before the 'big run' or the whole Democratic platform will not represent all of the possible voters in the party.
It would seem that if the problem is not rectified it would indicate to some people that the Democrat party is possibly one of exclusion of certain elements of the voting population instead of inclusion.
Does anyone know what the plan is to handle this problem?
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MonkeyBiz4 months, 3 weeks ago
"...Democrat party is possibly one of exclusion of certain elements of the voting population instead of inclusion."
No one, excepting certain white supremacy parties, can come close to equaling repugs for exclusion of "certain elements."
"Does anyone know what the plan is to handle this problem?"
The two state's dem party bosses were publicly warned what would happen if they defied the rules. The state's dem citizens should be looking to replace their leadership.
Howard Dean has said that something will be worked out that is fair to both of the candidates and to the citizens of those states. There will be delegates from both states at the convention and they will have an equal say in the party platform.
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not2needy4 months, 3 weeks ago
I have no idea icono, but i would think that it is something that Fla and Mich knew the ramifications of by forfeiting their delegates when they decided to have their primary on Super Tues instead.
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Mdiar4 months, 3 weeks ago
Don't celebrate yet. I just checked out a Gallup poll, the site is down for maintenance at the moment, but I'll get the link when its back up. The Obama lead has just shrank from 10% to 3% nationally. Statistical blip, delayed effect on "bitter voters" comment or just Gallup messing up and the "maintenance" is to address the mess up? I don't know, but its a far closer race then I thought a few hours ago.
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rdy2rck4 months, 3 weeks ago
My question is is even when it is hopeless totally will she keep screaming and kicking trying for a miracle?
Of course I'm only commenting on the Obama/Hillary election at this point. I think we'll see the polls a lot more clearly when the actual presidential campaign starts.
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MonkeyBiz4 months, 3 weeks ago
Hillary is trying to destroy Obama's chances for the nomination without being perceived as using repug rovian tactics and destroying her own chances. She needs to take Obama out completely or she is finished. She is hoping she can catch him in a Minneapolis bathroom or uncover a felony conviction for child porn or something. Not going to happen.
She should do the right thing for the dem party, give an Al Gore concession speech, and then go back to the senate and hope for a cabinet position.
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Searchbeam4 months, 3 weeks ago
I am trying to understand Hillary's self-destruction.
She had a good chance to win the nomination. But arrogance, entitlement, cheating, lying and obfuscation - things that she didn't really need - have pulled her down! And Slick Willie has done his share to antagonize the very people that were the base of her candidacy!
I guess you can put lipstick on a pig, but it won't win a beauty contest!
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Spadecaller4 months, 2 weeks ago
As long as Hillary continues to bash Obama with the same attacks that the Republicans and John McCain use, she will continue to lose more support from Democrats all over the country. James Carville was too blind to see that the real betrayal has from the Clintons themselves; they have joined forces with the right wing lobbyists and propagandists to attack the candidate who most likely will be the nominee of the Democratic party. Hillary is the one who has betrayed her party, her convictions, and her nation.
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ETproductions4 months, 2 weeks ago
Oh no, not another bogus, useless manufactured "issue". Since this line of attack has been doing nothing but hurt Hillary, looks like her campaign plans to keep right on using it to the bitter end. Wonder if a President Hillary would be just as insistent at using the most failed strategy. When you find yourself in a hole, dig faster. Sound familiar?
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most_reasonable4 months, 2 weeks ago
Obama screwing the Democrat Party.
He and his campfollowers contend that the Bush and the Clinton administration are the same. His insistence that he thinks that the job creation, lowering the national debt, strengthening the dollar and maintain low oil pricing is not important and equivalent to the Bush administration pushes the Clinton Democrats and the GOP into a singular camp.
Does he thing he can win the Whitehouse with 25% of the population solidly behind him?
Reaching across the Isles? He can't even reach across the divide he has created within the democratic party.
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lum-chate4 months, 2 weeks ago
"Obama screwing the Democrat Party." not quite! The Democrat Party is screwing themselves. By picking the most far left guy they have had since McGovern apparently they haven't learned there lesson. Imagine a 28% tax on capital gains, idiotic!
The republicans picked the best candidate for the general election a middle of the roader like McCain. The Dems led by the Moveon, Huffington, DailyKos crowd will probably pick the guy most aligned with there views. What a monumental miscalculation. All the middle of the roaders belong to McCain. Not even Dem centrists can stomach Obama. I predict a victory of Nixonian proportions for McCain. An 18,000,000 vote landslide like Nixon's may not be possible but it might be close tp that.
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questionseverything4 months, 2 weeks ago
mccain the guy who protected abrmhoff before he went to prison?
mccain the guy who protected the keating 5?
mccain that thinks the economy and 4 dollar a gallon gas is great?
mccain the guy that openly cheated on his first wife with his millionaris 2nd wife?
mccain the guy that dances round singing bomb bomb bomb bomb iran?
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lum-chate4 months, 2 weeks ago
The Dems just like in Connecticut when they snubbed Lieberman for Ned Lamant are making the wrong choice giving Clinton the
Lieberman snub. They'll never learn. McCain by a mile!
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lum-chate4 months, 2 weeks ago
From the politico.com
March 5,2008
Obama won a slim majority of independents and Republicans. But about 65 percent of voters identified as Democrats; Clinton won a majority of them.
I wouldn't make comments unless I was aware of the facts if I were you. I hope you don't mind me keeping you on your toes. You really should know more about things you are interested in.
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ETproductions4 months, 2 weeks ago
Let's see now, your point is that if Clinton wins a majority of registered Democrats in a state where the Clinton machine has deep roots, then if Obama ends up the nominee all the registered Democrats in that Democratic leaning state are going to vote for McCain? If that's what you are getting at, don't you realize how absurd it is?
Maybe not, but here's a clue to the effectiveness of the argument. Hillary's been making it to the superdelegates ever since her Super Tuesday drubbing and they realize it's absurd.
The superdelegate contest results from Super Tuesday to 4/6/08:
Obama 69
Clinton - 2
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/i...
That was as of April 6. By my count, Obama is now up to 77 and Hillary's gone from -2 to 1.
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