Politics – If he becomes the nominee, Sen. Obama will lose the general election for this reason: When the smiles and platitudes are set aside, Obama's campaign and the philosophy of his cadre amount to one big put-down of America.
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"The president of the United States serves as head of both state and government. As such, the president represents something very personal to Americans. He is, for four or more years, the personification of their country, embodying the aspirations and goodness of the land that they love. A president may disappoint after assuming office, but America is not in the habit of electing candidates who hold their country in contempt.
Not only have the comments of Obama's wife, Michelle (who has referred to America as "downright mean" and stated that she was not proud of her country until her husband started winning primaries) and his minister, Jeremiah Wright (whose hateful, anti-white, anti-American diatribes are available for sale in Obama's church, or for free on YouTube) revealed the tired, leftist scorn for America that Obama represents - the Senator's own remarks have exposed this ugly, unelectable side."
Obama has clearly demonstrated that he can navigate the world of politics and work with various elements, even those considered to be radical by some, to bring about positive results.
This is important because increasingly we have seen that the policy of simply marginalizing those we disagree with in the realm of geopolitics is becoming a less and less effective tactic for the US.
There really need to be a HATE channel for AG to post in. ;)
Posting facts is somehow hateful?
Please explain.
Of course you know ANYTHING that does not jive with the liberal agenda is somehow hateful, racist, bigoted......or usually a combination of the three.
ALPHAGNOSIS was against McCain before she was for McCain.
http://humor.propeller.com/story/2008/04/23/san...
And she wasn't the only one.
lol
My favorite was this from your post...
"If I had to listen to John speak for four long years, I would go absolutely bonkers."
ALPHAGNOSIS
flip flopper!
FRIDAY Ap 25
Rev Wright interviewed on Bill Moyers on PBS.
It often IS one of those TWO (as racism is a form of bigotry), As liberalism is the kinder, gentler way, but it is also racist to refer to anyone as a "typical white person", even if it is your Granny. What do you suppose would happen to ME if I referred to anyone as a "typical black person".
"I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." - McCain in 2000
Wouldn`t it be interesting if Obama had said the above instead of McCain.
Then how upset would the right be.
Also, wouldn`t it be interesting if instead of denouncing and distancing himself from a hate preaching reverend Obama actually chased after one for his support like McCain has been doing.
Ah, the hypocrisy of the right, like a trusty old warm blanket on a cold winter`s night - it just seems like it has always been there and will never leave.
The spirit of Obama's comment about his Grandmother was the same. Until race can be a matter of indifference to you, you are a racist. Both these men have been mistreated by members of a different race from them, and consequently are spouting crap about whole races. I come from a small place where racism is almost non-existent, in a region where it is and historically has been endemic. It has been a struggle all my life, and I do not easily accept racism in others, regardless of the race or the hater or the hated.
Equating Obama's comments about his granny and pockets of American bred racism hardly equal McCain's racial slur - which took in a lot more territory than Obama's gaffe. You and McClown might feel differently if you were Vietnamese - or perhaps more correctly and parochially - if there were more American Vietnamese with long memories voting come November.
As for "racial indifference" as you put it - I doubt I would enjoy living in a colorless Utopia. The varied colors of our thoughts reflect race, language, culture, religion and other random factors. Different peoples express themselves through these factors and enrich other cultures where and when the opportunity presents. Just like racial discrimination, racial receptivity is never totally blind or "indifferent" to context, condition or prior conditioning.
Crap, pure and simple. Race is not in any way equivalent to culture. One is genetic and the other is learned. References to race beyond physical descriptors are racist. That's it, that's all. Treat everyone respectfully until he deserves less personally. Race only matters when pigment (and a few other physical factors) matters.
Of course Obama's grannie didn't torture him
mercilessly for several years...
"Of course Obama's grannie didn't torture him
mercilessly for several years..."
EXACTLY. Funny liberals dont want to mention that little tidbit.
My grandmothers were prejudiced against each other's religions, and that was pretty unpleasant for a little boy, and confusing. We're all white Christians. I can't imagine what it would have been like to have one of them prejudiced against my race.
I'll take that over being hung by my wrists while they are behind my back.
I agree. To my knowledge, McCain was targeted by his captors because he was an American and not because of his race. It's possible for anyone of any ethnic origin to be racist but it irks me to hear direct comparisons made between a single racial incident against someone who is white vs bigotry towards black people (who have an entirely different history). The way cons talk about this Rev Wright guy (and granted, we all know it's pure smear tactics), one would think THEY had experienced 300 years of slavery, segregation, oppression, job discrimination, etc. It's shameful and un American, IMO and it perpetuates racial division.
If you think racism is a one-way deal in America, or even was when slavery was legal, then you are sadly mistaken, meso. I have experienced racism, here, and I am a white, middle class, Southern male. The way I most often experience it is the expectation that I am a racist because of that, but I have also been the victim of race-based taunting and assault. It is a shameful, hypocritical thing to cry racism, then exhibit it yourself.
"I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." - McCain in 2000
Wouldn`t it be interesting if Obama had said the above instead of McCain.
Then how upset would the right be."
Lets see how you would feel about people if we let them do to you for years what they did to him. To hold him to the same standard as everyone else when it pretains to THOSE PARTICULAR PEOPLE is VERY simplistic.
....but liberals are SIMPLE so that makes sense.
My grandpa was shot and almost killed by Japanese, he continued to bleed from the wounds for fifty years after the war (literally), had friends killed by Japanese in horrible ways, and after thirty years he realized his hate and anger were only hurting himself and the people close to him.
In other words, he grew out of it.
Many GIs ended up marrying Vietnamese woman, despite being in the same war as McCain. And McCain got the red-carpet treatment as far as POWs go because of his Daddy.
McCain is campaigning for the most important position in the free world and he doesn't have the emotional maturity of a flea.
To McCain and his racism-apologists I say, get the f over yourselves, nobody cares. We got more important issues.
He got the red-carpet treatment?I wasn't there but
to call what McCain had to endure while imprisoned in
Hanoi the "Red-carpet treatment"just doesn't sound right.
That reminds me, does anyone else notice how when you look at that pic of Obama, his eyes follow you? Weird, huh? ;-x
AsMuchSpinAsAnyoneElseDave...
Generalizing again, are we?
And replace that soiled flag icon you have...that's as bad as NOT wearing a flag pin on your lapel, isn't it?
Let me correct my statement above...
Having a soiled American Flag icon is a lot WORSE than NOT wearing a flag pin on your lapel...
A) Its not soiled.
B) Its easy to be general when I am right.
C) Dont you have to get back to Starbucks and finish your "novel"? Your tripple frappe late is getting cold wingnut.
A) If it's not soiled, what is it? Smoke?
B) Not only generalizing, but being pompous, at that.
C) I don't drink coffees of any kind...but I am trying to finish a book...thanks for your advice!
This is fact? ...
"Sen. Obama will lose the general election for this reason: When the smiles and platitudes are set aside, Obama's campaign and the philosophy of his cadre amount to one big put-down of America."
Sorry Tony, you arent GRRRRREAT!
OmegaGnosis is our Christian Conservatives Miss Smear USA.
But of course, we ARE the Fear and Smear Party!
Remember these classics?
"Do we want the smoking gun to be in the form of a mushroom cloud"
"Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
"If we leave Iraq, the terrorists will follow us here".
"The health care crisis is because of middle class frivolous lawsuites".
"Its PHONEY SOLDIERS who dont support Bush'.
Tony, I sincerely believe that we Christian Conservatives should steer clear of mentionin facts.
We dont believe in facts.
If we did, wed be toast.
Lets stick with what we do best. Swift Boatin and Fear/Smear.
Like the fact Obama never said "I LOVE this country".
Like the fact Obama compared his "friend" and terrorist Billy Ayres to a conservative politician whose views he disagrees with.
Like the fact that Obama is just plain vague on his platform and when we look to his associations for some answers we're called racists.
Leave it to libs to stifle debate. We should just vote for Obama to assuage our racist guilt.
Brilliant observations lock.
By virtue of things the man DIDNT say, well, that must mean that he believes the opposite.
Like....he never said "I'm not a terra-ist". Hell, he must hate Amerika.
Where's the debate there?
He doesnt wear a US flag lapel pin. He must HATE Amerika.
Lets debate that!
By the virtue of your statements and your supporting logic I can conclude that you are incapable of rational thought unclouded by girlish emotion.
Oh yeah. I see that your comment is more succint and to the point than my comment below.
I tend to go 'over the top' sometimes.
Know what I mean, Haydukey?
Goppy, Over the top?
Never.
Over the top?!! Naw - Goppy's the flying wedge. I like the way he takes them boogies out at the knees. No need to pile on after Goppy does his thing.
Not like the loyal opposition - which hasn't a leg to stand on to begin with - though we must give them points for being "creative" in their own right wing right.
BUT - after all is said and done, 10,000 monkeys with typewriters do not a Goppy make...
Right. Or as implied in a story I saw posted last week, Obama didn't mention using heroin in a book he wrote, so that must mean he does.
Meanwhile, all these haters seem to keep missing the point--"one big put-down of America" sounds to me like he thinks there are things to be improved here.
Does McCain think everything's fine, and he needs to do nothing if elected? For that matter, I don't think I've heard McCain deny using heroin. Or beating his wives.
"Does McCain think everything's fine, and he needs to do nothing if elected?"
Yes. He's morphed int John McSame and doing nothing has brought windfall profits to his predecessor. Why change a tactic that's working for you and your wealthy supporters?
I'm glad you brought up the flag pin.
Obama did wear a flag pin... One Day.
It was given to him by a Vietnam Vet that practically made him wear it.
He never wore it again.
OMG!!!
I dont wear a flag pin EITHER!!!
I KEN NEVER RUN FOR OFFICE!!!
EVERBODY KNOWS THAT A FLAF PIN IS THE ONE PREREQUISITE FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESDIENCY!!
That's ok.
You can put your hand over your heart during the National Anthem.
O wait, Barack didn't do that either.
MAN ALIVE!
You shure know what our nation needs as it faces these multiple crisises.
A flag pin wearer and someone that gesticulates while they sing.
THATS gointa help the middle classes by gum!
But I hear ya!!
We in the middle class aint sophisticated enuf to withstand your onslaught of deep probin into Obamas ideas for changing the status quo of lo these many years.
We prefer to have our attention diverted away from the many problems our nation is encountering by Obams pin wearin and hart holdin stances.
See, NOW do you Middle Class Americans see how little we Ne-Con supporters care bout America? We are willin to do LITTERALLY ANYTHING to divert your attention from discussion bout changing America from the FAILURE of the Neo-Con philosophy ... a philosphy that McCain has come to embrace.
If you want more of what the past 7 years of sufferin that neo-Conism has wrought upon our nation, listen to locky.
Everybody knows McCain never goes to bed without his Little Red Book of Mao, er, I mean flag pin.
locky,
That's the Big Lie...again.
go to a sporting event and watch how about 95% of the people DON'T put their hand over their heart for the anthem.
everything you're saying is a shortcut to thinking, and not even close to reality.
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We should put a "tail" on those people...
I wonder if George Washington ever wore a flag pin?
It`s written in the Contract On America somewhere Goppy.
locky,
I don't wear a flag pin either. Does that mean I hate America?
You guys are like cellophane, very see-through.
I wasn't born here but I became a citizen. Does that mean I love America more than native born Americans?
You don't like his politics and dislike his party more. Okay, we get it, but that doesn't mean you hate America too. Or does it?
locky, where do you get this stuff?
the vet practicaaly made him wear it?
what total bullsh*t.
he was proud to wear that pin that was given to him.
now you're not even spinning. you're just outright lying.
Sorry, what you said is quite true and I meant to give you a pos. Hit the wrong button. Propeller really has to make an undo feature for the vote.
If only the U.S. could make an undo feature for the vote.