Politics – Bored by those endless replays of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? If so, go directly to YouTube, search for "John Hagee Roman Church Hitler," and be recharged by a fresh jolt of clerical jive.
ani, if you are genuinely the Christian person you sell yourself to be, read this article! Why do you cons refuse to enlighten yourselves to the kind of people you support.
MAN! John Hagee is a complete nut job,
FTA:
What you'll find is a white televangelist, the Rev. John Hagee, lecturing in front of an enormous diorama. Wielding a pointer, he pokes at the image of a woman with Pamela Anderson-sized breasts, her hand raising a golden chalice. The woman is "the Great Wh0re..,"Mr. Hagee explains, and she is drinking "the blood of the Jewish people." That's because the Great Wh0re represents "the Roman Church," which, in his view, has thirsted for Jewish blood throughout history, from the Crusades to the Holocaust.
"ani, if you are genuinely the Christian person you sell yourself to be, read this article! Why do you cons refuse to enlighten yourselves to the kind of people you support."
Ani has stated in the past that she doesn't read or listen to anything or anyone she doesn't agree with. No, she never reads any of the articles. She's just blowing smoke out her you know what, as usual.
Also, FTA:
Are we really to believe that neither Mr. McCain nor his camp knew anything then about Mr. Hagee's views? This particular YouTube video â;; far from the only one â;; was posted on Jan. 1, nearly two months before the Hagee-McCain press conference.
It doesn't appear that McCain knows much of anything! I am completely amazed that intelligent republicans nationwide thinks this incompetent man is leadership material.
He doesn't know the difference in Sunnis and Shiits, he doesn't know if he does or doesn't support torture of detainees, he doesn't know anything about AlQaeda, he admittedly knows nothing about the economy, and supports 100 years presence in Iraq.
NOW, tell me what intelligent human being would think this man is capable of leading this country in the shape it's in today.
I don't read the NYT. I do know about Hagee, and I do know about Uncle Jeremiah, and his close friendship with the Obama family. Too close for comfort.
What do you know about "uncle jeremiah"? The hate slogans you were told to chant?
Fair play for false prophets
...But let's consider more carefully what so many others have blithely dismissed. Let's look at the three specific outrages and see whether they fit the level of denunciation they've provoked.
1. The US government and AIDS:
â;¦ based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything.
In expressing his suspicions about what the US government is capable of doing, Wright cited Medical Apartheid, by Harriet A Washington, published in January, 2007. This is the opening passage from the Washington Post's review:
The Tuskegee Syphilis Study remains an ignominious milestone in the intertwined histories of race and medical science in U.S. society. Initiated in 1932, this tragic 40-year long public health project resulted in almost 400 impoverished and unwitting African American men in Macon County, Ala., being left untreated for syphilis. Researchers wanted to observe how the disease progressed differently in blacks in its late stages and to examine its devastating effects with postmortem dissection.
A fresh account of the Tuskegee study, including new information about the internal politics of the panel charged by the Department of Health, Education and Welfare with investigating it in 1972, lies at the center of Harriet A. Washington's courageous and poignant book.
The balance of Medical Apartheid reveals, with arresting detail, that this scandal was neither the first chapter nor the last in the exploitation of black subjects in U.S. medical research. Tuskegee was, in the author's words, "the longest and most infamous â;; but hardly the worst â;; experimental abuse of African Americans. It has been eclipsed in both numbers and egregiousness by other abusive medical studies."
Although medical experimentation with human subjects has historically involved vulnerable groups, including children, the poor and the institutionalized, Washington enumerates how black Americans have disproportionately borne the burden of the most invasive, inhumane and perilous medical investigations, from the era of slavery to the present day.
Among those outraged by Wright's suggestion that the US government could have been involved in the creation of HIV, I imagine few could counter his suspicions with any factual information about the real origins of the virus. How many of the pundits could even explain what a retrovirus is, let alone where this particular one came from?
Whether Wright's suspicions are baseless, in the light of Tuskegee, the fact that he has them should be neither shocking nor terribly surprising.
2. Wright's views on Louis Farrakhan:
â;¦ how many other African-Americans or European-Americans do you know that can get one million people together on the mall? He is one of the most important voices in the 20th and 21st century. That's what I think about him.
I've said, as I said on Bill Moyers, when Louis Farrakhan speaks, it's like E.F. Hutton speaks, all black America listens. Whether they agree with him or not, they listen.
Louis Farrakhan is not my enemy. He did not put me in chains. He did not put me in slavery.
Suppose Wright made the observation: William F. Buckley was one the most important voices in America. Would anyone have said that he was praising Buckley? Or would they have merely recognized the obvious: that he was drawing attention to the extent of Buckley's influence?
Is Wright correct in saying that when Farrakhan speaks, black Americans â;; whether they agree with him or not â;; listen?
As someone who is not a black American, I don't know, but neither I imagine do most of those white pundits who repeated the claim that Wright had "praised" Farrakhan.
3. Terrorism and the US:
You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back on you.
For seven years, public discourse in America has conspired to sustain the notion that the term "terrorism" has an unambiguous and objective meaning. Although in theory it is possible that we could all agree on what terrorism is, in practice it has become the prerogative of the US government to determine what are admissible and inadmissible applications of the term. "Terrorism" has become a proprietary brand and the US government holds the copyright.
On April 30, 2008, five Tomahawk cruise missiles were launched from a U.S. naval vessel off the Horn of Africa, aimed the town of Dusa Marreb in central Somalia. According to the Washington Post, the strike "leveled a house belonging to the reclusive leader, Aden Hashi Ayro, who was inside at the time with at least one of his top commanders, according to his followers."
Aryo is accused of having ties to al Qaeda. A witness said he counted 16 bodies around the crater where the missile(s) had exploded. On February 29, 2008, the US government granted itself legal authority to blow up Aryo and those in his vicinity by designating the group to which they belong, Al-Shabaab, as a terrorist organization.
Although the Pentagon cannot confirm the number or identities of all the people killed in the missile strike, anyone who would have the audacity to refer to a military action such as this, as an act of "terrorism" is sure to be denounced. Among respectable commentators, the act itself is just as sure to receive little if any comment. Somalia is a lawless state; America's role in contributing to that lawlessness is a subject supposedly of no interest or concern to the American people.
Actually, African Americans weren't the only group exposed to government experiments. Soldiers during the 1950s were exposed to dangerous levels of radiation in an effort to determine how soon armies could resume military action after a nuclear attack. Nice try at supporting the old AIDS was invented to kill black people argument.
Hardly anyone reads the NYT anymore. They are on the brink of bankruptcy. They had so many reporters commiting perjury they lost readership, and had to cut back on employees. I watch CNN. Thats about all the socialist properganda I can tolerate.
ani:
You don't read the New York Times? You sure seem to have a lot of comments on the stories I submit to Propeller from the New York Times. Do you mean to tell me you spout off without ever reading the articles? Is there a point to that?
There are so many falsehoods in your comments, I hardly know where to begin.
The New York Times had exactly ONE reporter, Jayson Blair, who was busted for making up a story. (That's not called perjury, nor is it illegal, as perjury is, though it is unethical. Fox News (for instance), has had several who made things up--but they didn't fire those reporters, as the Times did to Blair.
The New York Times has had a decline in readership since the 1980s. It still has the third largest circulation in the country, behind USA Today and the Wall Street Journal, according to the Audit Bureau of Circulations, which keeps track of such things. It has 1,120,420 daily readers, and over 1.6 million readers of the Sunday paper, from which this article came.
The Times is the paper of record in this country. And it is nowhere near the brink of bankruptcy.
Once again, you're making things up...kind of like your news sources.
Then why do they find it necessary to lay off hundreds of employees? The Globe, the LA Times, the Chicago Sun Times are all reliable news outlets, the NYT is not. Oh, that readership thing, talk to someone at the paper. They lie about the numbers. The numbers havent been valid for years, but hey, if it helps you, then read away. Fantasy is always more fun, right?
I thought layoffs were always necessary to "remain competitive." At least, that's what business that make record profits always give ans an excuse.
The Chicago Sun-Times is failing miserably, by the way, caused by a huge drop in circulation after Rupert Murdoch bought it and turned it and Conrad Black--A CONVICTED FELON--bought it from him and continued his same policies of yellow journalism. The Sun-Times has lost more than half of the circulation it had in the 1980s when Murdoch bought it.
The Chicago Tribune, which I'd think you'd like and which owns the L.A. Times, is also laying off employees from both papers.
ani, If you didn't have your head buried in the sand...except for when you come up for air and to post a comment on Prop, you would know that the majority of the businesses in the United States today are laying off employees...that's why the unemployment rate is going up, not down. There is a recession.
As I have warned Ani, Endoscpoy, DKL, and others on here...keep up the Wright smear, you`re only going to hurt yourselves in the end.
More and more about McCain`s political bed-buddy Hagee is coming out.
As people dig further, there are stories of the Republican Party`s intimate connections with the Moonies, particularly the Bush family connections.
Moreover, people are starting to compare Obama`s dumping of Wright to Ronnie and Nancy Reagan`s use of a fortune-teller to lead our government.
The Republicans look like s*** the more beyatch and moan about Wright.
Please don`t stop!!
I just read the below, which backs up exactly what I wrote above.
The Obama Bounceback Baby! Read it and weep smearboaters!!
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/05/04/...
"On one key measure, Obama has seen a big reversal since his denunciation of Wright's remarks on Tuesday. He now leads presumptive Republican nominee John McCain in the hypothetical fall contest by eleven points, 51 percent to 40 percent. That compares to a tied match-up in a CBS News/New York Times poll that was released last Wednesday."
"Obama's lead over Clinton has increased -- he now leads Clinton by twelve points, 50 percent to 38 percent. That's up from his eight point lead in the poll released just a few days ago."
May 4th poll.
Real Americans can see through the Left & Right wing establishments/media - these non-issue attacks are a transparent smearboat/character assassination attempt.
The Rev Wright story is true. It is not a smear. Obama might wish it wasn't true, but it is, and it will be around as long as the Obama's run for the Presidency is around. As is the speech in S F to Obama's rich friends, about the sad middle class clinging to their guns, and their God for solace during hard times. It is only a matter of time until we know Sen Obama's whole life history. We know all about Hillary, and we know all about Sen McCain, what is Sen Obama hiding? What are his secrets? Check the Senators new numbers if you think the Wright story is not having an effect. His lead in N C went from 23% to low single digits, and he is losing by 6 points in Indiana, after leading by 7 points last week.
Trust me, I know this swiftboat attack is having a negative effect. The negative attacking worked to defeat Kerry, a war hero, over Bush, an AWOLer and the worst president in our history.
When the right-wing media collaborates to assassinate someone`s character, there is no one or no media in the mass media that will stand up and call their BS just that, except for Bill Maher and Keith Olberman perhaps.
Let`s face it, the Republicans have been in bed with anti-American nuttos for decades, such as the Moonies (claims he`s the Messiah), and it has never been a problem for you people.
You`ve allowed self-professed psychics to make WH decisions (see Reagans).
The Republican Party lives on hate-breathers behind the pulpit. That`s your base. Hence McCain spending a year trying to get the endorsement of a guy worse than Wright.
cont`ed.
Point is, Wright said America be damned for the racial injustices.
Hagee said God cursed America for allowing homosexuals to run amok.
Wright is pi$$ed because of injustices on a minority. Hagee is pi$$ed because there aren`t enough injustices on a minority.
They both damn/curse America. Which one you give a pass to says a lot about you as a person.
So, are you giving a pass to McCain/Hagee because they are white and Obama/Wright are black?
Or, are you giving a pass to McCain/Hagee because you a political lackey and hypocrite who hates America for the good it represents?
Either way, this swiftboat attack will pass and once Hillary is gone, Obama and the Dems will use your own medicine to show what hypocritical racists this years swiftboaters are.
No one is giving Hagee a pass, he is irrelevant. We are choosing a President. We have to take their character, and judgement into consideration. McCain is ignoring Hagee, Obama is trying to have it both ways with his pretend Uncle. It should never have been an issue. Sen Obama, because of his inexperience, made Jeremiah Wright more important to his campaign then he ever needed to, by first excusing him, and then denouncing him. McCain will dismiss Hagee as a non-issue if he is ever asked about him. Sen Obama will be more experienced in 2012. The saddest part of this whole thing is, Obama used Wright to make himself known to Chicago's black community. He is only in the church, because Michele introduced him there. But where you go to church as a candidate is not a campaign issue. So why did they hide him? That is the real issue.
> No one is giving Hagee a pass, he is irrelevant.
It`s one or the other, not both. He`s no less relevant than Wright.
> We have to take their character, and judgement into consideration.
Exactly! McCain has yet to adequately explain his relationship with Hatin` Hagee.
> McCain is ignoring Hagee, Obama is trying to have it both ways with his pretend Uncle.
Completely untrue on both counts. McCain chased after Uncle Hagee for a year, Obama has been trying to chase away Wright for months.
> McCain will dismiss Hagee as a non-issue...
Actually, that is what Obama did, but the Right-wing establishment (McCain/Bush) and the Left-wing establishment (Clintons) have absolutely nothing on Obama, so they had to make up a BS non-issue for something to Swiftboat Obama on. RW media won`t let this non-issue die, it`s all they got on Obama.
> Sen Obama will be more experienced in 2012.
McCain is already too old/senile, and doing his best to hide Hagee. Why?
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Hagee isn't McCains Pastor, his mentor, his spiritual leader. Rev Wright is Obamas Pastor for 20 years, his mentor, his spiritual leader, the man who inspired his books, his pretend Uncle. You notice Michele Obama does not denounce Uncle Jerry. She will put him up in the Lincoln bedroom for sleepovers. He will be in charge of W H prayer breakfasts. Sound like fun? Never happen. They should have put Uncle Jerry on a slow boat to China, or around the world, at least until Christmas.
Read the article, then get back to me about that.
She won't. She might get a headache reading actual journalism rather than the crap sources she gets her info from.
My sister won't watch any news except Faux, therefore missing out on a lot of what's really happening. Then she denies that things happened years ago ever happened, because she has limited herself to one source of news.
Your sister sounds like she'd fit right in out here.
Wait--you're not telling us aniokly is your sister, are you?
McCain went after Hagee's endorsement knowing full well that Hagee had said numerous hateful things about numerous groups of people.
so what does that say about McCain?
does he agree with hagee? or is he simply not too smart when seeking endorsements?
and what does it say about McCain that Bush's minister and longtime spiritual advisor (Houston Minister Kirbyjon Caldwell) is endorsing Obama for president?
> They should have put Uncle Jerry on a slow boat to China, or around the world, at least until Christmas.
They are not Republicans; they believe in the law and Freedom of Speech.