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He has won Indi too, they are doing what they did in PA, say she won by 10 points and then a day and a half later they announced that it was 9.3 points. Now we have a county that is said to be for Obams that has refused to send in any of their votes until all the votes are count. The guys on CNN are starting to worry that the fix is in!
Is it just me or are stories about the election being buried on here?
Indi Obama 49% clinton 51% go bama
I'm all for Obama, he really is a better choice as president, considering Clinton and McCain.
But it seems that the democrats have truly hamstrung themselves, yet again. Sure, Obama was clearly going to win in NC, simple demographics will show you that. Are voters going to vote for either a black candidate or a woman candidate?
Blacks make up about 13% of the US, and 40% of dem whites voted for Obama in NC. These aren't really good numbers when you consider the possibility of Obama becoming president.
I'll say I like Obama's words to "look beyond 'electability'" in your andidate, and vote for who you like, unfortunately, this kind of objectivity, perhaps idealism, doesn't translate well into reality.
It would be hard enough getting Clinton into the White House, although women are a near 50% in the US. It will be near impossible to get Obama in office.
With Obama as candidate, McCain will only need a black, woman, or simply charismatic running mate to sew up the race.
Obams took 40% of the whites in NC and 33% in Indi, that's up from 26 in PA. and as much as the talking heads want you to think that whites are not voting for Obama, that is just not true...there is no way this guy could win 31 states without the votes of whites.
I tend to agree with your assessment of Obama's chances. While I too favor Obama over the other two candidates, I think that the Democrats would have a better chance of winning with Clinton. True that Obama has won 31 states but the states that he has won are mostly Republican leaning states that would probably stay with the Republicans in the general election. States that tend to vote Democratic have favored Clinton over Obama. I think that the Democrat's best chance would be an Obama-Clinton/Clinton-Obama ticket but I don't foresee that happening.
I still don't see the logic here--the argument that since Clinton beat Obama in, say, New York, he will lose that state in the general election. There is no way that a Democratic stronghold like New York will back McCain over Obama, and I think that applies to several (although not all) of the delegate-rich states that Clinton has won. It will be a hard fought election, that I agree with, but to call Obama unelectable is to fly in the face of reality.
"There is no way that a Democratic stronghold like New York will back McCain over Obama, and I think that applies to several (although not all) of the delegate-rich states that Clinton has won."
It's the key "swing" states that matter, look at this map:
http://electoral-vote.com/
Now look at Ohio, Clinton BEATS MCCain by 10% but Obama LOOSES to McCain by 1%.
Now read this article:
http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/pr...
"Ohio is uncanny for its accuracy in picking presidential winners. From 1904 through 2004, the Ohio victor won the presidency 24 of 26 times. No Republican has won the presidency without carrying Ohio since Abraham Lincoln was elected in 1860."
If you are a TRUE democrat you want Hillary to win.
"If you are a TRUE democrat you want Hillary to win."
Oh Balderdash. You are getting your lines from the GOP. New York will vote for Obama and so will Michigan.
The polls you cite change all the time and are pretty much meaningless at this stage of the game. Clinton can't win the nomination and is showing herself as delusional as bush. In fact, with her support of the gas tax gimmick and her SUFFERING SUCCOTASH LET"S OBLITERATE IRAN remark, showing herself more like McCain. She is too much like McCain to win. We need a clear difference. And that difference is Obama.
I see you've been drinking the Obama kool-aid. Obama isn't going to "Change" anything, his plans almost mirror Hillarys. His a politician that uses people (Wright) just like anybody else. He's from CHICAGO, name me the last clean politician from my city, PLEASE.
He can't win the kew swing states and the polls, stats and primaries all show it.
You can deny it all you want but it is the truth.
You might want to see someone about your delusions that you are some kind of prophet and keeper of eternal truth.
Wow, way to refute my argument....
Care to provide anything factual that proves Obama can win any of those "swing" states?
Or even Ohio?
Quote your polls all you want Newbie, but remember things don't always happen as the polls say they will. Last night was a perfect example of that.
With such a compelling counter argument I don't know what to say jovial....
Just shutting you piehole will suffice. ;)
ditto?
Why should I refute anyone who thinks they can predict the future? That's not rational. Why bother?
Try this if you have a sense of humor:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/06/olberm...
EITHER Obama OR Clinton have a greater probability of changing things than does Bush III (McCain).
The people will not put up with a third term of Bush policies.
Of course, I don't understand why the people chose a second term of Bush policies - oh wait - the PEOPLE didn't.
oh please... get over yourself
Come on, newbie, the polls also predicted that Obama would win in New Hampshire. They're not exactly rocket science. And even if McCain is currently "beating" Obama by a single percentage point in Ohio, that means a statistical dead heat, not a McCain victory. I don't believe that Obama is a plaster saint--obviously he's got some hurdles to clear on the way to the White House. But in a country where 81 percent of the electorate thinks that the current Republican administration is messing up, McCain's got some problems too. And Hillary? Like it or not, she looks down for the count.
Balderdash,I always like that word
Newbi04020:
Your deep concern for the democrats, wanting them to make the best decision possible, is as touching as it is sincere.
I think we will go with Obama anyway.