Politics – Barack Obama has won the North Carolina presidential primary, but he trails Hillary Rodham Clinton in Indiana. The two states are the last big-delegate prizes left in the long race for the Democratic presidential nomination.
what about the idea that Sharpton and Jackson really want to see the super delegates to go for Hillary to further their cause of race baiting and hate. Anyone feel the same way about it. If you disagree you don't have to call me names just an opinion would be fine.
That is exactly what I have been thinking
Sharpton and Jackson will have a difficult time making their case if a Black man is elected president
They have made their money with race baiting and hate for years.
At this point in their lives changing jobs would be difficult
You can lump Wright in there with those others too if you want to make a real case.
Limbaugh and Coulter have as well. Where's your damn outrage?
That's amazing!! Did you actually mean "Limbaugh and Coulter have as well." You agree that Sharpton and Jackson have made their money with race baiting and hate for years?
That has to be a first that you would agree with me Jovial!
I really don't know what you are referring to with Limbaugh and Coulter.
I don't listen to Limbaugh and I don't read Coulter's columns
I have read some of the articles about them on Propeller but don't recall race baiting/hate. Want to enlighten me with some specifics?
I still don't see your outrage. Answer the question.
Well Jovial since I have no idea what you are talking about, it is very difficult to answer your question
What exactly I am supposed to be outraged about?
I asked you to enlighten me but obviously you were just popping off and have no examples to back up your claim
You are a friggin' liar if you say you haven't heard or read any of Limbaugh's or Coulter's stories. Any one as deep into politics as you are had to. Denying it is silly. If what you say is true, then you aren't currently informed to a level insufficient to make a political argument. So Toodle-oo!
LOL I'm not surprised at your Toodle-oo Jovial
Some of us don't listen to talk radio or read columnists like Coulter. You don't have to be informed to ignore pundits
Your lack of examples simply tells me you are a bomb thrower who is not really as well informed as you would like others to believe
I'm certain if you wander off to Moveon.org or the DailyKos you can find something to try and illustrate your point
"Some of us don't listen to talk radio or read columnists like Coulter"
Good response.
It's really amazing - and insulting - how many radical leftists think that conservatives get their opinions or marching orders from Limbaugh et al.
Thanks to the Internet, all political viewpoints are readily available to anyone who wants to get them.
Yet all of you that don't "listen to" or "read" these things have strong opinions about them. What's really amazing is that most of the conservative viewpoints go through a litmus test. That litmus test is good old fatboy Limbaugh. I think if you really looked at it you would find that your views and his are more similar than not.
"What's really amazing is that most of the conservative viewpoints go through a litmus test. That litmus test is good old fatboy Limbaugh"
You're suggesting that Rush Limbaugh is the sole arbiter of conservative thought. Even though conservatism existed long before Limbaugh.
That is so silly that it isn't worth further comment on my part.
I wasn't talking about 30 years ago, boy wonder. I was talking about in the last 10-15 years. Of course the Goldwater Republicans are far to the left of what these conservatives today are.
Positions of limited government, low taxes and strong defense didn't suddenly appear 10-15 years ago, boy wonder.
Your mind is made up, so continue to believe that Limbaugh is the man behind the curtain pulling all the strings. It's easier to discredit ideas via guilt by association than it is to debunk the ideas logically.
If Obama had won Indiana, the primaries would be over.
Now, he'll get clobbered by Hillary in West Virginia and probably Kentucky.
Once again, Obama fails to seal the deal.
Why can't Hillary seal the deal? She has one of the most recognized brand names in politics and a popular expresident in her corner!
She can't seal the deal EVER!!!! what a hypocrite, liar, and overall inflated windbag. Her only influence in this election is to spoil it for the eventual nominee, Barak Obama.
They said that about Indiana.
"They said that about Indiana"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
Who're "they?" An average 5 point spread (with a margin of error or 3% or so) isn't a cloberring.
"The average was 6% favoring Clinton. She won only by one percent"
Reading tables isn't your forte, is it?
RCP Average 05/02 - 05/05 -- 49.0 44.0 Clinton 5.0
Final Results --... 1.4
So the poll could have went her way as well and she could have won by 8%, but that didn't happen did it? I wonder why?
"So the poll could have went her way as well and she could have won by 8%, but that didn't happen did it? I wonder why?"
Because Obama overachieved and got 40% of the white vote in Indiana and North Carolina. African-Americans make up 18% and 37% of the Democrat electorate in those two states respectively.
But anyone who thinks Obama will win North Carolina in the general election - when Kerry and NC's own Edwards lost it in 2004 - is dreaming.
West Virginia has much the same white demographics as Pennsylvania, Ohio and Indiana but has only a 3% African American population. Ditto Kentucky, which has an 8% African-American population. He'll lose big in those states.
Make no mistake: Barring a catastrophe, Obama will be the Democratic nominee. But this is the fourth time (New Hampshire, Ohio/Texas, Pennsylvania and North Carolina/Indiana) that he's failed to take Hillary out. He's forced to waiting for her to bleed to death.
This race crap is tiring. From the news programs to the people here on propeller. A lot of what your saying is correct, but this white vote, black vote, female vote, male vote, old vote, young vote, rich vote, poor vote, southside vote, eastside vote, nonsense is irritating to me. I understand that's how they do these surveys, but there's got to be a better way. If, (and the odds are in his favor) he wins this primary, I hope that the race questions will go away. Unfortunately, I fear they will not, because this divisiveness meets the needs of some people to put obama on the defensive.
"but this white vote, black vote, female vote, male vote, old vote, young vote, rich vote, poor vote, southside vote, eastside vote, nonsense is irritating to me"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics
Welcome to Identity Politics - of whom the Democratic Party is the chief practitoner. The empowerment thing, you know.
And another good point if he gets elected POTUS, if any foreign leader visiting the White House angers the first lady she'll "gouge their eyes out." On a serious note what has he proposed or done to indicate he will make any difference? All I've seen is more government and more tax dollars.
Well, to start with, I like his idea to shift the tax breaks from companies that outsource labor to companies that use US labor.
As for taxes. I'm sure they'll go up a bit, but I'd rather have a 'tax and spend' Liberal than a 'borrow and spend' Neo-Con any day.
I'd like to see him put the smack-down on shady lenders as he is proposing.
Taxes are way too high now. What we need is spending cuts. Both sides are equally to blame for the spending. Bush at times has spent like there is no end to the money. Fiscal restraint would fix many of the issues in our country. No candidate that I've heard, except Ron Paul, has focused on this aspect.
Every black person in my area is voting for Obama. I see their stickers on their cars or in front of their houses in my neighborhood. I talked to one in my buiding the other day. She has no clue about what he stands for and has never voted before. She thinks Obama is gonna help the black community because her church told her so. She was talking about this election like someone would talk about wanting their sports team to win. It's obvious to me she is only voting this time around because there is a viable black (isnt he Half White?) candidate.
as I get older, I realize Alexander Hamilton was right. The sheep can not govern themselves. We desrve to be run by elites or kings. To vote based on race, sex, religion is to ruin the entire concept of self rule.
Considering that only white males have made serious runs at the presidency up to now, you just disqualified all of american democracy.
And how much are you basing your opposition to Obama, on the fact that he is the choice of the black people in your area?
Voting based on race, sex, or religion is not voting for the best candidate for the job. FYI, I am opposed to Obama, McCain AND Hillary. I have read each of their platforms and am uninspired. My point before was based on talking to a few of my neighbors who are voting for Obama, but dont know his platform. They are only voting for him because, as the one said "it's time we get a brother all up in there".
Makes me want to move to Mexico, illegally of course.
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HMMace said: "Osama will not wear a lapel flag pin--because it may offend some one"
Obama was not worried about offending anyone.
He stopped wearing one because it has become the symbol of
fake patriotism. It offended him.
Flag pins are obscene little tin trinkets substituting for what can only be honestly expressed in action.
We can't see your lapels from here, HMMace. How do we know you are a patriot?
I take it you don't believe what the politician Obama says. Just like the joke about a salesman. How do you tell when a politician is lying? When his lips move.
Why do you take it I don't believe what Obama says?
I agree completely.
Flag pins are not a measure of your patriotism; they are a measure of how willing you are to pander, to lower the real respect you have for the flag.
It's about 1 step away from red, white and blue toilet paper.
It's about as patriotic as putting a big "I support the troops" sticker on your pollution-farting Stupid Useless Vehicle.