Politics – The battle over voting rights will expand this week as lawmakers in Missouri are expected to support a proposed constitutional amendment to enable election officials to require proof of citizenship from anyone registering to vote.
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Voting is a right of citizens and proof of citizenship is not asking too much.
name -- It is however, not always the easiest thing to come by. There are significant numbers of people born outside the US who are citizens.
Huh? People living outside of the United States hold what's called a US Passport, that's an ID. If you're born outside of the USA, you have to make a choice on citizenship when you become either 18 or 21, I don't remember anymore. A passport would be issued anyway.
As to the claims of costs, in my home state, Wisconsin, there have been charges of voter fraud. The GOP, offered to pay the entire cost for the program but the other side would have nothing to do with it.
Teagen -- My children (now 25-30) were born outside the US (to foreign parents), brought here as infants, and naturalized when they were under 5. They were never asked to make the choice you describe at 18 or 21; don't remember whether Mrs. Chevydog and I were asked by proxy to renounce their native citizenship. None of them have a passport.
As far as they're concerned, they're Americans who were born in Country X. They have naturalization papers; the pictures (taken when they were under 5) look very little like they do now.
So far, they've lived normal lives with their background never causing a problem for them or anyone else. I'm not about to support anything that's going to cause problems for them now.
Can't really adress dead people voting. But I know that Mrs. Chevydog has never seen a death certiciate for her father, who died in NY in 1968. Though he's long dead, I don't think she could prove it.
People risk their lives in other countries to vote.
All Missouri is asking for is a little proof that says you are who you say you are.
It's not much to ask.
It's a lot considering you've been digging and digging to uncover alleged voting fraud that might favor Democrats and the overwhelming evidence points to the likelihood that voter fraud has benefited Republicans in the past. This smells really bad. GOP desperation.
I worked the Chicago Precincts that were in Democrat wards. I guarantee almost everyone in tha wards voted, dead ones, sick ones, drunk one, or illegals, They knew who to vote for because they carried the palm card given to them by the DEmocrat Pricinct Captain. Picture IDs will stop people coming in from other pricincts voting for those missing for the day, or eternity.
And you think the Illinois Republicans are any better? I used to live in DuPage county and the Republicans were as bad as the reputation of the Chicago Democrats.
The real proof was back in 1960 when the Republicans accused Mayor Daley of throwing the election for Kennedy and demanded a recount in the City of Chicago. Daley, knowing the corruption in the Republican counties said that he would agree to a recount if the recount was for the whole state, not just Chicago. The Republicans backed down.
WRONG, skeptic.
The recount in Illinois was stopped by NIXON, because he did not want to cause the kind of crisis that Algore was ALL TOO WILLING to unleash in 2000.
Nixon, for all his faults, was a FAR BETTER MAN than Algore.
Err, we aren't talking about the Nixon who had to resign the presidency for cheating on an election, right? The one recorded forever swearing and plotting and just in general being a corrupt doofus?
So who is this nobel prize Nixon with the unfortunate name?
And you're talking about the Daley I think you're talking about? The guy who made Al Capone look honest? Daley was one of the most corrupt officials ever to come out of Chicago. It's good to see his son maintaining the family tradition.
Oh! I see your point...
Chicago had a crooked dem mayor, so Prez Nixon was ok.
It's a kind of balance.
Nixon didn't have to resign for cheating on an election, an election that he won by the LARGEST MARGIN in US history, by the way.
He was forced to resign, by Republican senators, no less, because he had engaged in a cover-up of a 'dirty tricks' campaign by underlings in his campaign. It is from Watergate that the phrase was coined, "it's not the crime, it's the cover-up'.
The 'crimes' were so inconsequential, as to be silly. Nixon would have been better off if he had just left the bunch to hang in the wind, but he didn't, and the rest is history.
It was Nixon that stopped the recount in 1960, but you are right about the corrupt DuPage Republicans. However the population of DuPage is far smaller than the Population of Cook county, so there is much, much more corruption there.
Corruption comes in 2 parties, Republican and Democrat. Neither is lilly white when it comes to doing the right thing for the American people. They have cheated us, lied to us, one time to many. Middle class American is sick of all of them. That is one reason the dream act of last summer that McCain & Kennedy promoted and almost passed. Remember the bill where all illegals would have become citizens? Since the politicians have alienated most of the American Tax paying public they need 'new sheep' new voters to BS for a few years until they get smart, hence the need for making illegals citizens. They want their votes and their labor.
Um, aniokly? I'm sure you recognize my avatar... Why are you responding as if you think I'm new here and that I've never read any of the dozens upon dozens of your ridiculous, poorly articulated, and outrageously false posts? I find your comments to be beyond belief. I don't trust people who routinely misrepresent, distort and outright lie. I don't trust you and I don't believe one word of your post above. I DON'T believe you. Not even one word of it. ROTFLMFAO
You are not alone my friend.lol
I think aniokly's claimed to have seen first hand every individual act of democratic malfeasance.
"I find your comments to be beyond belief. "
I find them far more credible than your inane rants.
Why wouldn't you, aniokly? ;-)
aniokly - has chosen an alias that is a complete fraud - Annie Oakley was a sharpshooter - aniokly is definitely not sharp & she is definitely half-shot.
I live in WA State, and the only dead people caught voting here, voted for Republicans. Well, their rlatives did anyway. All that hot air about Dems voting in place of dead ppeople made them think it was ok for them to vote for their dead relatives.
Other that those folks, I have yet to hear of anyone else in our area who has voted for dead people.
Picture IDs also start us on the road to national ID, which many, including the GOP, are against. Tough call, since we want only citizens to vote.
My deceased father's ID was stolen by an illegal immigrant--we found out because suddenly they wanted him to pay income tax for work he performed 3 years after he died--using various versions of a latina name (Dad's father was Scottish and Dad was definitely male)!
memestryker, you already have national ID, SOCIAL SECURITY card and as far as photo id use your state drivers license or state ID card. In the case of not being able to afford either then have the state step up and give the person one. You want to stop voter fraud use picture ID.
I don't have a problem with national ID exactly for the reasons you stated.In fact,why not make your voter registration card a picture ID ?
"In fact,why not make your voter registration card a picture ID ?"
Sounds perfectly acceptable to me.
This is no problem for me personally, but the elderly, disabled, and poor could have problems finding out about it and getting the credential in time for this election.
It states right on the social security card "not to be used for identification" and I live in a state where it isn't.
A picture on the Voter ID card would be useful for this purpose, although it does start the ball rolling towards national ID cards. Once that happens, we have crossed a line. So the question is, are we really ready to cross it?
I always think of old movies where they demand "show me your papers!"
I don't suppose it would be mandatory to have a picture ID card as you don't have to vote. So if you have problems with a national ID card with a picture, don't get one and don't vote.
Easy answer, Boot the damned illegals!!!
We know, we know... if only " the illegals" weren't here, America would be a golden, rainbow-filled paradise and we could all sit around all day on a park bench drinking wine coolers out of paper bags and giggling at pigeons...Oh, wait...That's actually what I did this afternoon. Nevermind...
Well we would have four times the money we spend in Iraq every year to fix our nations problems if we quit giving it to illegals.
And, tangy, how much money would we have if we stopped illegally invading other countries and allowing our war machine to burn up 60% of the oil our country consumes annually?
0. As we have not invaded any countries illegally.
Now if you are referring to Iraq, and are wondering how much money we woul have if we did not go there ion the first place the answer is 1/4 of the amount of money we spend on illegals every year.
Meso, how, exactly was the invasion of Iraq illegal? Congress approved the war. No way to get around that. The occupation, it simply depends on what the treaty with Iraq ending the war states. If the treaty allows for an American presence then the occupation is legal until Congress states otherwise. Congress, in all likelihood, will be stating otherwise rather soon.
It's illegal by international law.
You got that right Aniokly........the chicago machine alive and well in Illinois with a big hand in this election. Check this out.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/02/voter-f...
Did you miss this?
Charges Filed in Washington Voter Fraud Case-(ACORN, Worst Fraud Ever)
Prosecutors filed felony charges against seven people in what one official described as the worst case of voter registration fraud in state history
The seven workers submitted about 1,800 false registration cards last fall on behalf of Association of Community Organizations for Reform, which had hired them at $8 an hour to sign up people to vote, charging documents filed in Superior Court show.
One said another worker in the office told him "do what you have to do" to turn in more cards.
ACORN's oversight of the workers was virtually nonexistent, Satterberg said.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/187234...
I wasn't aware that ACORN was tied to Republicans. I thought they were a liberal group
Not true. The success of McCain is clear evidence of Democratic voter fraud.
You haven't counted the dead voters in West Viginia lately.
Locky12 -- I also live in MO, as do my children. They have MO birth certificates that say they were born in Korea. They were naturalized here, and except for their time in Korea as infants they have lived here all their lives.
I also understand the concern about vote fraud. I don't like it and don't know of many people who do. I do however believe that the fraud stuff is by and large taking isolated instances and blowing them up to seem commonplace.
I've functioned as myself for 60 years now, with 40 years or so of voting, paying taxes, and the rest of "good citizenship". Yet two years ago I was nearly denied the ability to vote (in MO) because the County Clerk's notification card was a different form of my name than I was asked for when I got my driver's license (in PA). This bothered me and continues to.
IMHO, this identity thing is will just create a large bureaucracy fully as capable of making stupid errors as any private one.
Agreed. The real election fraud is the attempts by the Republicans to, by hook or crook, disenfranchise legal US voters.
In 2000, Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush deleted thousands of legal voters from the voter rolls, despite the Florida Supreme Court telling them it was illegal. They spent millions in tax payer dollars hiring crony cons to fabricate lists of names and then removed legal voters who had similar names. NOT even the same name, just similar ones.
George W Bush `won` Florida by a few hundred votes - if Harris and Dubya`s brother had not broken the law, there would have been no need to sue to stop a legal recount and no need for the SC to block the state law.
Voter fraud, which goes both ways, does not compare to disenfranchisement and vote fraud in 2000 or 2004.
Loretta Sanchez won her first Congressional race because of the DOCUMENTED voting by over 3000 illegal aliens. She won by 900 votes.
LOL...Um, Jose? Loretta Sanchez was declared the winner of that election in 1996--the same year she switched from the GOP to the Democratic Party. Moreover, despite the controversy over voting irregularities, the election results were upheld by Congress and she became a new Democratic Congress member. Now, please remind us who was in control of Congress in 1996 and which party is sooooo concerned about protecting the integrity of the voting system?
In America, Locky, you ARE who you say you are, as long as there is no intention to defraud. It IS a great deal to ask of some people in terms of trouble and expense, and creates absurdities such as poll workers not permitting people known to them for years to vote.
Does your bank accept your lovely smile as ID? Or do all the banks in town know you personally too? And the supermarket, and the utility companies, and the shops in the mall...
Yes, and yes, and yes, and no, not all the shops at the mall, as the nearest of those is 22 miles away, unless you count the tiny strip mall with the coffee shop, the laundromat, the lawyer's office, and the pet groomer's, then the answer is yes there too.
tky, then you are ONE of the few that live in a small community that knows you by face and name.
Where i live nixie,the bank knows me,i haven't had to show id except for the day i started doing business with them.The store i shop is the same as are most of the places we shop.If any of them asked me to prove that i am an American citizen i would shop elsewhere.
They don't ask for your ID when you pay by check?
I don't trust the people who say they know me