Politics – Many blue collar Democrats are not ready for a black president
I think it's just depressing. No one interviewed could give a single valid reason--that is, a reason having to do with an issue that affects them--to vote for any of the candidates. Not even the ones who said they'd vote for Obama.
How much did Obama campaign in WV??
He really didn't make much of an effort and was rewarded for his lack of attention to that state
His campaign wrote them off
Not much. But it's not the loss or even the size of it that bothers me--it's the way the voters talk (and I can assume, think)--about their choices.
actually, Nostalgia, WV was a waste of Obama's time, and he knew it. He needed a break and rest from the rigors of the campaign, after viewing this video I see why he took the break here. It was probably too dangerous for him to go there anyway. Too many rednecks. He lost a total of 12 delegates, and yet, still picked up 9. The nomination is over. The fat lady has sung. You can deny it all you want to, but the contributors to Hillary know the real story. She is 20 million in debts and after WV, is still getting further in debt.
He will make an effort for blue collar workers, but not in such a redneck state. WV is known as the KKK capital of the East, and even Karl Rove admitted the KKK hurt Obama in WV.
That talk extends all the way through the Deep South. He has the same issues among the white lower and middle class voters there as he had in WV. This is the exact demographic to which all of those poisonous emails were directed and those will continue to be sent by the millions. These people read something once about a Democrat or anyone with liberal leanings (McCain in SC in '00) and they believe it as fact. Never cross checking references or checking the source.
Sen Obama can afford to write off W Va. After all he just found 9 states no one else even knows about.
ani, you woudn't mind documenting for me where Obama claimed there are 59 statest would you? lol
Here are his exact words: "I've now been to 57 states...I have one more to go...they wouldn't let me go to Alaska and Hawaii."
You can see the YouTube video here
He does seem a little confused - it's either 58 or 59
By Zeus, you are right. He did make a mistake. Damn, I am glad to know he is human. Geese, there for a while, I thought he was the Messiah. So, I am voting for a human after all. Thanks Nostalgia, that was pure enlightenment, and I gave you a positive for the research. Good Job. Of course, that mistake just endears me more to him. Damn guy is just like me. Go figure.
Good point, V.O.R. It's like the Muslim thing. Muslims in cahoots with Osama bin Laden attacked the World Trade Center. Most educated and informed people know that this was done by a radical faction of Islam that was based in Afghanistan. The uneducated and uninformed took the opinion that all Muslims were bad and they needed to be re-educated and turned into a Secular government. A good Arab christian nation. They are throwing billions of dollars away everyday and causing death and destruction on the people they try to liberate. They see nothing wrong with this. Yet abortion is bad. Dropping a 5000 pound bomb on a city is good. Sorry I wandered off.
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Well maybe the heartland is not really ready yet for a Black President. Many people say that racism is over. It's been over for some time. Look at this video and tell me what you think.
The "heartland" my fanny! These people don't represent the heart of this country. Bunch of damned fools.
"Well maybe the heartland is not really ready yet for a Black President."
Painting with a pretty broad brush aren't you??
Have you already forgotten Iowa??
Only 2.5% of the population is Black and Obama won there
Iowa is more "heartland" than WV
Sen Obama won in Iowa, because he was still the racial unifier. Once it came out about his 20 year relationship with Jeremiah Wright, listening to him curse, and damn America, and his great speech on race where he threw his white Grandmother under the bus, he made himself the black candidate. All of a sudden people started taking a look at his record, and asking questions he, and the Democrat party never thought would be asked. Former Secy Cohen said on Fox news Sunday he hopped people would just listen to what Obama wants to do as Presient, and not use his record (100% Liberal) against him. Yes, we should all buy a pig in a poke. Sorry, his record is public record, and will be examined.
He still can be the racial unifier. There are some in this country that don't want that. So the Wright controversy was born. If people thought about it for a moment they would see there's still hope, but some people needed something to latch on to. Some negative detail to confirm their inner suspicions. They found it. He's taking flack from both sides. On one side he's had to denounce his pastor and the other side accept racial and discriminatory attacks against him and his campaign. It's a delicate balancing act. Frankly, I never thought in the beginning he would even make it this far.
Ani is selling more schmear...she's (morally)bankrupt...
Yeah, and now that people know he's at least 50% black he's a goner!
Sen. Obama won Iowa because they don't have hillbillies in Iowa. for crying out loud, did you forget that the senator from the great state of W. Va. was a klansman back in the '50's?.. He's a democrat now, but those are his people.
(you know the believe the bad parts in the bible and blame the minorities people)
How do you explain Obama winning the south? Ga and Ala?
"Well maybe" isn't a definitive statement. I said that to stimulate the discussion. Did you take that statement as I was talking about you? Most people that discuss politics on these forums here on Propeller are adept at looking into a politicians views on the issues. Unlike the general population that latches on to buzz words like elitist or Muslim or cut and run or tax and spend. Talking about elitist, McCain rides around on his wife's private jet. Clinton is a millionaire. Are we supposed to think that any of the politicians now running for President aren't elitist? It's a ludicrous argument, but the people of America (some of them) don't take out the time to find out. Instead they confirm their prejudices and suspicions with buzzwords they hear on Fox news, Cnn, etc. and vote accordingly.
"I said that to stimulate the discussion"
Seems like I have heard that excuse from you begore or am I confusing you with someone else?
"Are we supposed to think that any of the politicians now running for President aren't elitist? It's a ludicrous argument, but the people of America (some of them) don't take out the time to find out"
But the key is your ability to really relate to blue collar people
Obama didn't even try in WV. That just reinforces their opinion that he is an elitist
I sense anger coming from you directed at me. I don't really care, but don't accuse me of anything without solid proof. Yes, I quite frequently submit controversial stories to stimulate thought and discussion. If this type of venue gives you grief, the simple solution is to ignore it. Are you a West Virginian or are you an apologist for racism?
LOL Jovial
"I sense anger coming from you directed at me."
You're going to have to try much harder to make me angry
Actually I find most of your comments amusing
"Are you a West Virginian or are you an apologist for racism?"
A West Virginian - LOL are you?? You seem to think you know a lot about West Virginians
apologist for racism - do you even know what race I am??
Keep trying Jovial - my husband just asked what I am laughing at
A very small man?
As Obama started receiving threats as soon as he announced his candidacy, and seeing the 'intelligence' level of some of those W. Virginians, I wouldn't be at all surprised if staying away wasn't for safety reasons, rather than not wanting to address them. In the exit polls, 20% didn't mind declaring they voted against him because of his race. .
"20% didn't mind declaring they voted against him because of his race. "
"and seeing the 'intelligence' level of some of those W. Virginians"
Then how do you account for the fact that the exit polls showed Clinton won among those with a college degree, a group that usually belongs to Obama.
Wright was also a problem: Many voters â;; 49 percent â;; think Obama shares the controversial views of his former minister. Evidently, this is not a good thing, since 83 percent of the voters who feel this way voted for Clinton.
That may explain this result: 47 percent think Obama is honest and trustworthy; a majority â;; 51 percent â;; say he is not.
Then how do you account for the fact that the exit polls showed Clinton won among those with a college degree, a group that usually belongs to Obama.>>>>
I don't need to account for it. I'm talking about the 20% who voted for racial reasons. Of those who didn't, I have no quarrel. Well wait now, that's not entirely true. If some people can look at Obama's conduct in life, and still say he's been 'affected' by a militant preacher, then I'd have to say their reasoning abilities are skewed.
Why is it key to relate to blue collar people? As group, this demographic is getting smaller and smaller.
They don't have money to contribute to the party. Why is this demographic so important? It isn't.
If Hillary Clinton is the Al Sharpton of white folk, we won't be seeing much substance or support from Clinton or her supporters.
No, he's a realist. If he tried they would say he was a failure. Every move is analyzed to one's own personal advantage.
Sorry. Elitist is a state of mind, an attitude. It has nothing to do with rich. Barak is an Elitist. He lookks down his nose at thos e less fortunate then he, and talks down about them to his rich friends. John McCain is a real American Hero. I don't always agree with him on many things, but I respect his honesty, and his love for this country. He would never listen to aomeone damn American.
that's why your real american hero had an affair during his marriage, divorced his handicapped wife, and married his adulterous rich bitch.
That's not what you all were saying in January, and December, and November , and in 2006, 2005...
A revelation is it?
A born again McCainer are you?
Frankly this video is a good example of american provincialism. Those who speak have been deprived of real information and analysis for so long that they are stuck in obsolete stereotypes that may make them feel "comfortable", but prevent them from even thinking about real problems and are damaging to their own future and that of our country.
I consider that the issue of "racism" in this election is typical of how "leaders" create phony issues to augment their own personal power and profit. Basically this depends on "tribalism" and under the influence of corrupt politicians, the US seems to be as susceptible to this as anywhere else in the world.
At the height of the war in the Balkans, I had a dear friend in Belgrade who in his small appartment had friends and family as refugees that were orthodox serbs, catholic croatians and moslem bosnians. All of them got along fine. It is corrupt leaders that create the "tribal divisions" - we have too many such corrupt polticians in the US trying to use "tribalism" for their own gain.
You say that it's American provincialism, but you also say that the US is as susceptible as anywhere else in the world.
Isn't that the truth, that people are people, and people from all countries and all religions and all backgrounds discriminate for all kinds of irrational reasons.
Speaking of being "stuck in obsolete steretypes", hyperbole, how did you manage to get through these two paragraphs without a reference to "Right-wing zionists", "racist zionists" or "Zioncons"?
Put a sock in it.
GO MOUNTAINEERS!!
I'm in the heartland and most of the blue collar workers, vets, and people I've run into will be voting for Obama.