Politics – Senator Barack Obama is poised to reach a milestone in the presidential race on Tuesday by capturing a majority of pledged delegates, but he said he would not declare victory against Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton or suggest the Democratic primary should end until the final three contests are finished on June 3.
Good article. Obama is playing it right. It is sad that Clinton still suggests she may pull it out by using MI and Florida. She has no sense of fair play. My respect for her has waned to the point, I don't think I could support her if she steals the nomination this way. Had she won legitimately, it would be different, but she can't even beat Obama, a relatively unknown, so, how does she really expect anyone with sense to believe she can beat McCain in November?
I have to admire the Presidential quality of Obama for his patience, sense of fair play, and willingness to unite even Hillary's supporters. He has the right attitude. He gives me the impression he will not compromise his sense of what is right and wrong in order to win. That is the kind of integrity that has been missing from our Presidents and their leadership for a long time. I think the hypocrisy of many of our former Presidents is why the world hates so much.
"My respect for her has waned to the point, I don't think I could support her if she steals the nomination this way"
The fact that you supported her for so long and respected her calls into question your own judgement
The Clintons haven't changed.
That should give you pause on supporting Obama
If you were unable to see the Clintons for what they were all of these years, why is your judgement about Obama any different?
There is less know about him than there was about the Clintons when Bill for ran for the presidency
Well, actually, I voted for Clinton the first time looking for change, but you are right, he really didn't provide it for me. I admired Hillary as a woman and a mom for what she had to put up with Bill but never as a politician. To me, she has always been a political opportunist and power monger, showing her true colors as First Lady. Both Clintons turned out to be opportunists and power mongers, and as the days go by, they reveal themselves more and more for what they really are.
As for Obama, you are right about him except for one thing, today's internet. I know much more about him than I ever did Bill Clinton when I voted for him. I have thoroughly researched Obama, and I find him to be refreshing and genuine. I have not been able to uncover a smoking gun. He has been accused of homosexuality, religious fanaticism, illegal skull duggary, and various associations with questionable characters. I found all of those to be baseless. continued
I also found to be baseless the preposterous notion that he is a Muslim. What I have found out about the man is that he is a family man, a Christian with deep moral convictions, a liberal politician affected by social justice, a social activist, a successful businessman as a lawyer, a dynamic speaker and speech writer, a little naive but a very intelligent person, a somewhat poor debater in that he doesn't like spur of the moment confrontations, a young man with a certain amount of innocence left in him that makes him refreshing, and a man with an insatiable hope within that makes him a can do person who exudes a positive and infectious spirit. Did I leave anything out?
The important things about him are already known. He is a man of principle and one who dares to be innovative in his thinking. He's of strong character and genteel in spirit, but will not hesitate to defend himself or his family if attacked. He's a Christian, but does not attempt to "force" his beliefs on others, or use them to his advantage. He is brilliant, hard working, patient, thoughtful, and learned. He exercises good judgment when it is critical to do so. He is not perfect and not afraid to admit it, and to ask for help in creating a better America for all of us. That works for me!
Nostalgia,
There is as much known about his as anybody, but it is almost all good stuff. So people like yourself are disappointed and angry because you don`t have enough to attack him on.
That`s not a lack of information, that is a lack of attack ammo. Big difference. I hope someday you find the wisdom and emotional maturity to learn the difference.
Hey now the Clinton's did do some good in this country. We lived under one of the best economy we have had in over 50 years. I also think if the GOP congress didn't decide to bring him down instead of out doing him we would have don a hell of a lot better. This bunch of republicans don't get it, it's not about taking the guy down to your level it's about elevating yourself above theirs, this is what Obama is doing he has refused to stoop to the Clinton's level and in doing so he stands above the rest and we can all see him, had he gone in the gutter with her we would be saying Obama who?
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Go Obama. It's time for a change.
I still don't know much about him, but I did read his latest book. Just the fact that he took a stand against a war that he knew was wrong at a time when that stance could have ruined his career is the most positive thing I have seen from any of the three.
"It's time for a change." AND " I still don't know much about him"
Then how do you know exactly what "Change" he is advocating?
He's not my ideal candidate. But he's the only one left running that had the guts to take a stand against the war at a time when it was important.
The fact that he had guts is a big change from the current administration.
"guts to take a stand against the war at a time when it was important."
When he was a Senator in Illinois? That really didn't take a great deal of courage. Plus he had no access at that time to the intelligence report that the US Senators did
I'd agree if he had been in the US Senate and voted against the war
nostalgia, you still listening the the hype and lies of the Republican led Congress at the time we went to war in Iraq? We all know their intelligence was crap. He was against the war and is still against the war. So, either vote for him or don't but quite skewing the issue. I was also against the war from the beginning. I did not believe their crap then either. I think Obama has foresight and good sense. Justice4All is on to something. You should be.
"quit skewing the issue'
That is precisely the issue
The Senate had the intelligence report to base their decision on
How were they supposed to know if there were flaws in the report?
What was Obama basing his decision to oppose the war on? If he had been in the US Senate, how would he have voted? You don't know or are you telling me that Obama would have had the "foresight and good sense" to pick out any flaws in the intelligence?
Stop spouting the rhetoric and think about it logically
The senate was run by Republicans. They were in the majority. The Administration, which was running the intelligence was run by Republicans.
I am thinking about it logically just like I did when I opposed the war from the beginning writing to President Bush. I heard all their claims and still was opposed to a preemptive strike of any kind. It is immoral, illegal, and wrong to strike a sovereign nation regardless whether you think they have WMDs or not, whether you think they have a dictator or not, whether you think your god told you to or not, or whether you think they may have terrorists in their country. Obviously we did not have hard core evidence for any of it other than hear say. Obama had as much information as I had, and we both showed good sense and were right. Your speculation and rhetoric of what Obama might have done or might not done is what is illogical.
"I am thinking about it logically just like I did when I opposed the war from the beginning writing to President Bush."
This from the same person who made up the story about the $100 bill-dispensing ATM, a black man and a frightened white woman.
Democrats such a Pelosi - who was a member of the House Intelligence Committee, Clinton, Gore, Albright, etc., etc. and International leaders like Jacques Chirac all were just as confident and using various intelligence reports not generated by "Republicans' and drew the same conclusion as Bush. Also, George Tenet, the former CIA chief, was a holdover of the CL;inton Admin and said they had sound reason and good sources telling them Saddam had WMDs.
If you were thinking "logically" and accusing Bush of faking the Intel, don't you "logically" think they would have planted some WMDs and ensured they found some?
Again, librs, you scum bag. This is the second time you have lied about a $100 bill dispensing ATM. What are you talking about here? I never made such a post. To show everyone how much of a liar and low class scum you really are, show us all the link to where I posted such. You couldn't and didn't last time, and you can't and won't this time because I never made such a post on Propeller.
As to your ruse concerning WMD's, anyone as stupid as you doesn't deserve an answer, but obviously you are just as big a liar as they are.
Tenet and the CIA would not create fake intel to support Bush`s unnecessary war agenda, so Cheney and the cons created a fake intel agency in the Pentagon. Then they used the fake Republican intel to pressure the CIA to agree to the fake intel.
Bush to Tenet: Look, these guys have found this evidence and only been doing this for a few months. Why can`t you and the CIA find evidence like those guys? What`s wrong with you? Maybe we need somebody who can do your job better.
So the CIA was twisted and tricked into going further than they wanted on the fake intel, but even then Tenet stated to Bush many times take xxxx out because we do not know that, or because we know that is not true.
When presented with the true in the NYT, the Bushies attacked and outed the messenger`s under-cover CIA wife - truly courageous patriots, don`t you think?
Logically you would think that if weapons inspectors were in the country and Bush was in a big hurry to start a war before they could finish looking around that Bush must have something to hide.
Bush knew that if he waited for the weapons inspectors to come up empty handed that he would not be able to drum up support for the war.
Some knowledge of the history and demographics of the area, some foresight, and some common sense! Senator from Illinois or not, it STILL took guts to oppose the war at a time when those who objected were being labeled "Un-American," "Traitors," "Communists," "Terrorists," and any other negative label the powers that be could think of. Had they viewed him as the remarkable, refreshing new face of American politics that he is today instead of "just a jr. senator from Illinois", they probably would have made him a political prisoner...a persona non grata...and covertly sent him off to Abu Graib! It took BOTH guts and CHARACTER...severely LACKING in the other two candidates.
And some great intelligence it was huh? Vision and intelligence something this country has been sorely lacking for some time now, ands Senator Obama has both these qualities and then some. Study up nostalgia you might learn something.
"But he's the only one left running that had the guts to take a stand against the war at a time when it was important."
Guts? He was in the Illinois Senate when the vote to go to war was passed in the U.S. Congress. He didn't "speak out" until it was the "in" thing to do.
Bush has the guts to ignore opinion polls and provide actual leadership. That might explain why his approval ratings continually fare better than the do-nothing, Dem-led Congress.
Hillary hasn't backed out yet, either. She's making a play for supedelgates based on her national "electability" versus Obama's.
Guts? Yeah his voting record shows his guts. I'm sure voting present over 100 times took a lot of guts. What guts.?
At least he wasn't AWOL like your commander in crookedness! I'd prefer that he vote present as a new member of congress and take the needed time to become thoroughly abreast of the issues, rather than casting a vote for or against something just to say he voted, knowing he might, in hindsight, regret it. That shows strength of character, too. He doesn't just go with the flow.
dandt is a Democrat who wants Clinton to win unless I'm must mistaken. Not her commander in crookedness anymore then he's yours.
You are mistaken. I am an Independent who happens to like Hillary. I also believe that Hillary IS the BEST choice for President!! That's my right. So please deal with it.
I do. I thought you were a Democrat. Tell me, did you vote for Bush? I was just pointing out I didn't think you voted for Bush... sorry for assuming status as a Democrat. I'm not the one attacking you for liking Hillary, am I? In fact I'm the least likely to attack a Hillary supporter on here, other then Hillary supporters. I also don't attack McCain supporters. Why? Because it is your right and their right. I'm actually a registered Republican or Independent. I don't remember I could care less about party affiliation in anything. Please don't assume an attack on you in a post. I've noticed the nastiness of several Obama supporters to Hillary supporters. I've also been on the receiving end of some of it from every single group on Propeller at one point or another. The commander in crookedness remark, I assumed, was an attack aimed at Bush and implying you are a Bush supporter. Maybe you are and I was incorrect in that. The term came from Cushi and I was merely quoting.
Thank You.
I've never supported Bush I just couldn't trust him.
Thank you for your comment. People do need to think sometimes before they type. I was fast to comment on here when I first started on this thread a few years ago but learned to count to 10/20 and I honestly do.
Peace to you.
Peace to you as well. You never struck me as a Bush supporter which is why I commented. I assumed Democratic party and that was incorrect.
That's ok I don't always read the comments right and get what people are really trying to say.
Hey have a good day!!!
You too!
The guy voted Present so he wouldn't have a real record to look at with Contraversial votes to consider, He is a devious, corrupt, Chicago Politician, and he will not get elected. He won't even declare himself the nominee tonight as he is not doing as well in Oregon as he thought he would, and is losing big time in Kentucky.
"He didn't "speak out" until it was the "in" thing to do. "
Liar! It was NEVER the "in" thing to do. People who oppose the war now are called "quitters," "traitors," "terrorist sympathizers,"...
"Bush has the guts to ignore opinion polls and provide actual leadership."
Apparently you don't know the difference between guts and STUBBORN STUPIDITY! The Iraq War is a failure and a fiasco untold proportions! The mounting death toll, mounting national debt, mounting dissatisfaction of the people, mounting disapproval rate of the Idiot in Chief prove it! He is too "gutless" to admit his mistakes.
"Hillary hasn't backed out yet, either. She's making a play for supedelgates based on her national "electability" versus Obama's."
Hillary is like a scavenging hyena attempting to steal someone else's hard earned meal!
WOW!! SOME of the Obama supporter's are down right NASTY on here. What a shame because he is suppose to be the uniter. Can you not make an adult comment without getting NASTY. So someone doesn't think the way you think, so what. Do you think that your candidate is the only one that gets trashed on here? All of us don't like to see bad/false things said about the person we believe in. So you read the comment take a deep breath and count to 10. You can get your point across just fine if you think first and then type. Believe me I've counted to a million in the last 6 months. Just a friendly suggestion.
If this double posts, my apologies...
Both groups need to chill out. Alot. I notice the Obama supporters showing alot of partisanship on here and it distresses me. You would be hard-pressed to find a more pro-Clinton Obama supporter on Propeller then myself. I say count Florida and give Obama half the Uncommitted Michigan vote. I don't believe he should be penalized for following party rules and removing his name from the ballot in Michigan.
I wouldn't mind a double post believe me. I just used all but 120 characters on a comment explaining one of the reasons I am not voting for Obama and propeller just ate it. I am SOOOOOOO tired of this.
Chill Out is just what is needed on here.
Definitely needed!
The afternoon, and morning monitors must be censoring the posts, because if you go on late at night it doesn't happen
Following rules is the key in that statement. Something politicians of old have a hard time doing and Senator Clinton herself has a real tough time following the rules she herself agreed to from the start. Little did she know the upstart from Illinois was going to give her a run for her money. And what a run it is. I feel sorry for the Florida and Michigan voters, their legislators screwed 'em but good. Vote them out and when 2012 rolls around then you'll have your voices heard. Time for this country to get back to playing fair and follow the rules set forth before the game is started,not after it's in full swing.
I wonder what the Clinton's will say now. I am sure they will move the gold post a bit. They are starting to look really bad here, it's sad to me.
Blackacereturn
The Clinton's haven't changed
It's just that many of their prior defenders and apologists are finally seeing them for what they have always been
Nostalgia,
This one I will agree with you on. McCain is no different. Can you see him for what he has always been, a wayward son that has never measured up to Daddy's expectations? He has always tried to follow in his Daddy's foot steps and always has come up a loser. It is sad really. If it wouldn't have been for Daddy, McCain may not have made it out as a prisoner of war. He certainly wouldn't have been a politician. His only claim to personal success is dumping his disabled wife and marrying into money, questionable money at that? Is there any wonder why he is Flip Flop John today and just a hull of the image and pedestal we Americans put him on when he was younger?
Well ML2007 as I have stated before - the 3 candidates are the worst choices for the presidency I have seen on my lifetime
I'm not voting for ANY of them
They are all bad for the US in one way or another
I don't subscribe to the "lesser of the evils" theory of voting
All you have to go on with Obama is his rhetoric
In his last debate with Clinton he couldn't (or wouldn't) articulate his own policy positions
He is trying to be as nonspecific on the issues for a reason - so you can't really grasp what his positions actually are
All he gives you are vague notions of "hope" and "change"
How long are you willing to let him get away with that?
I disagree with you about Obama. He is a politician as they all are in our society. That is sort of the way we have evolved. I would have preferred to have a Ron Paul, but realistically, it is not going to happen. This is the first time in a long time, I can see that there is an option other than the "lessor of the evils". Obama, so far, has not been corrupted by the lobbyists. He hasn't caved to Corporate fascism or Empire expansion. Those two things are positives for me that go a long way of promoting hope. He isn't as experienced in many of government protocol, but that just means to me he is not a part of the status quo, more hope for real change. Yes, he promotes a social agenda that smacks of old line liberalism, but he does so with a certain amount of hands on experience that worked for him on a local level. He gives the impression to the world as a uniter rather than a divider, and that can't do anything but help him mold a positive foreign policy.
ML2007
You certainly are an optimist
Perhaps you are just quite a bit younger than I am
"He gives the impression to the world as a uniter rather than a divider"
Impressions can only get you so far before reality hits you in the face
Yes, I am still an optimist at 61. Impressions can be fleeting or lasting. Facts impress me. I have vigorously studied the young man's life these past few months, and I am impressed. I am not a man that is easily impressed. Every place the young man has been, he has united people in making an effort to do good things. I like that impression of what I see in him. He leaves the impression with a lot of others around this country and around the world. Those impressions are what motivate many to act, and action is what we really need. Is that so bad?
BTW, you sound a lot like a skeptic. Maybe you have not aged as well as me, eh?
Oh thank you for the very fact that there is someone willing to invest and study the candidates. Sometimes one feels quite alone in that arena. I agree with your position on Senator Obama emphatically..
I must confess that I was one of those "defender and apologist." You are correct, while I don't dislike them I have lost a truck load of respect for them. Maybe Bill is different maybe.
He will do his research and listen to him, that's how he'll know, and then he'll also know he made the RIGHT decision!
"Then how do you know exactly what "Change" he is advocating?"
That's easy - pocket change, which is all he's leave us.