Politics – Barack Obama criticized his likely general election rival John McCain on Wednesday where it could hurt most - the Arizona senator's reputation as a champion of ethics. Hillary Rodham Clinton, meanwhile, raised the possibility she might carry her fight to the Democratic convention floor.
This is all in Hillary's best interest. A fight to the end, even if it destroys the party is her only chance of getting the 2008 nomination.
And if she fails this year her next chance will be 2012 only if McCain wins the election. So anything she can do to win this year, or make sure Obama loses the presidential election is in her best interest.
Problem is I expect someone running for president to have the best interest of the country and its people as the prime issue. If she destroys the party trying to get what has slipped from her grasp she definitely is the wrong person for the job not only this time but anytime in the future. All others have put the interest of the country ahead of their personal interests and dropped out when it became clear they could not win as they were not interested in destroying their party and possible the entire country. She is the only one not doing that, just like she was the only one not to remove her name from the Michigan ballot when all others did due to party rules. Self interest is good at times but not when you are running for this office.
It's not about the party, in any case now. It's about the prize, and the competing vision of what each thinks is better for america.
As if I or anyone else would want someone as president who would just roll over and not fight for the job.
When they decided at first not to count Florida, that did much more damage to the party than Clinton did. Look at the "big contributors" who asked for their money back. Then look at those that just might not even vote, or will vote republican...
Everyone agreed at the beginning that if FL and MI moved their primaries,their delegates would not be counted. Senator Clinton agreed then. She never expected to be in the position she's in and now that she's in it, she cries foul. Boo who Hillary. Play by the rules you agreed to from the start. I feel for the people who got screwed in all of this, but it's too late now. Can't change the rules at the end of the game. Once again she tries to twist things to her advantage. Tough stuff.
you may be right, but I think if the media were honest, they would tell everyone that it was the Republican legislature and Republican Gov of FLA who cost the citizens of FLA the vote, again!
I just don`t understand how the same party could deny the people their democratic voice again, in less than a decade and nobody is up in arms.
I hope the truth comes out and they punish the people who deserve it.
Well said Ian, just when I think the entire world has gone mad a glimmer of hope. They are all talking about what a tough fighter she is, and that's all good and well but at some point you have to realize you are only harming yourself. Which I think she is, and by that I mean the party, and if her intent is to remain a DEM ultimately she is harming her chances of ever getting voted into any office again! Shortsighted people are always dangerous and thus far they have been nothing but shortsighted. I voted for her here in NY, a vote well placed at the time but since then i have developed a bad taste in my mouth for her conduct!
Hillary is going to the convention to prove how unqualified Obama is to compete in the General election. He thinks he is the nominee already, but he has been bested 2 to 1 in 2 state primaries by the alleged loser. That make him look pretty silly. He opens mouth inserts foot at every campaign stop. He is for talking to Iran without pre contitions, then he is against it. He is very naive. We met with Chinese delegates 134 times before President Nxon went to China. He thinks there are 57 states in the U S, he is giving affirmative action a bad name.
2-1 you say? thats nothing compared to the defeat McCain had in Utah, it was like 9-1 for him with that one. And he is the nominee.. Really means nothing. GOP will still unite behind him in Utah, just like it will for Obama in the states Hillary beat him in..
Romney's a Mormon and thus a favorite son of Utah. 1st prominent Mormon to run for President since his father in 1968.
Identity politics at work there similar to Obama's victory in Georgia where he beat Clinton by 35% because of the huge black voting block in Georgia. Does anyone in there right mind think McCain would lose in Utah no its voted Republican in every election in the last 44 years. Does anyone think Obama can win Georgia in the general no. Georgia only voted Democrat in the last 44 years when a Southern Democrat governor headed the ticket. Silly comments.
Ani
All that stuff you list in your badmouthing Obama, whether true or not, pales in comparison to McCains having lobbiests on his staff who work for Saudi Arabia - you know, the country that actually attacked us on 911.
Clinton is a strong candidate, she's no slouch - thing is, we have 2 great candidates and the Republicans have which great candidates?
youll defend mcCain, where as 6 months ago, you'all hated him
Ani seems to hate everybody, but especially Barack Obama. An acquaintance of mine who is a lifelong repub, a former elected official in a high Illinois office, and former Repub party chairman in Illinois speaks highly of Obama as a uniter and strongly ethical. The Chicago Tribune editorial board vetted Obama on the home purchase and other issues and came to the conclusion that there was nothing illegal or unethical involved in the transaction. I have to believe they know a little more than Ani. Way too much hate in one person. Sorry to repeat but he original post didn't show up in a timely manner
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If I were Senator Obama I would stay away from any discussion of ethics. He is known in Illinois as a typical Chicago politician, he has ethical problems of his own. All Chicago politician are corrupt. He was chosen right out of law school by Mr Rezko who helped him buy his mansion. There was some skulduggery there, and Mr Rezko is being sued by the son of a high up in the Nation of Islam who feels they ripped him off in the sale. There is also a $220,000 payment from Exelon who received some favorable legislation from Obama in the Illinois Senate. This guy is not as clean as Democrats would like you to believe. I hope McCain looks at his record, and calls him on his ethical problems.
I live near Chicago, Barry is "my" senator (who actually DOES respond - or someone in his office does - when I send him critical or other e-mail - so he has at least THAT much in his favor.) and I suspect that ani is correct this one time. As I have mentioned on many previous posts: The DEFAULT for Democratic politicians from Illinois is "corrupt until proven otherwise."
The entire editorial board of the Chicago Tribune questioned Mr Obama about the home purchase and found nothing illegal or unethical about the transaction. Maybe, just maybe, that group has a better grasp of the facts than you do Ani. And the Tribune is certainly not known as a left leaning publication. One would think that by now you would have spewed all the hatred that one person could hold but alas, it just keeps coming.
The real estate deal with Rezko (who, I suspect is just about to be convicted - the jury has the case) is just ONE item. That we already KNOW about. And, the Chicago Tribune is NOT an official investigating arm of a law enforcement agency with subpoena power. They may have found nothing illegal, but the deal is STILL pretty questionable from an ethics standpoint - REGARDLESS of what the MSM Chicago Tribune might say. Just because someone else doesn't necessarily trust YOUR favored candidate does NOT make them wrong and you right. It's still too early to tell for sure. MAYBE Barry is an honest, ethical, straight-up guy. Sometimes a person will surprise you. But USUALLY NOT a Democrat from Illinois. The over/under on the indictment of our current Democratic governor (another Rezko pal) is reportedly July 15th, by the way.
And our ex repub governor is already in prison!
And our ex repub governor is already in prison!
That's good if he deserves to be there.
george ryan is the rep x gov and the only prob with him being in prison is he didnt get enough time
i honestly dont know what to think about the rezko trial,after the neo cons convicted seigleman in alabama when he didnt get a dime
and the lead witness for the prosecution is a neo con thats already been convicted
the one thing i am sure of is anni lies in general so theres no reason to believe anything she fonts
if obama did anything unethical in his real estate deal its small potatoes compared to mccains lobbyists and foriegn goverments paying for his campaign...including but not limited to his killing the boeing deal so his lobbyist bud could get the contract for airbus(a non american company)
the one thing i am sure of is anni lies in general so theres no reason to believe anything she fonts
I'm not sure you can do more than say it's your opinion that she lies,,,,,
Also, if anything is done that's unethical, that's the end it's unethical, once we start saying that it's ok because the other guy did something larger or worse is when things get like they are today
"once we start saying that it's ok because the other guy did something larger or worse is when things get like they are today"
I can't count the times on this website that you and a half dozen other party line republicans have started a sentence with "Well Bill Clinton.....!" You are all notorious for this each time a fact is driven home that you can't defend regarding your president.
Practice what you preach, and you will look less like a hypocrite!
...."This guy is not as clean as Democrats would like you to believe. I hope McCain looks at his record, and calls him on his ethical problems..."
Compared to that rotten little pile of feces, Bush, and that overflowing slime and slop bucket McCain, Obama is practically sterilized!
The White House will need to be fumigated and disinfected after the Bushtapo oozes out of it.
Teech, why do you always insist on polluting threads with your crass descriptors? Do your fingers have turrets? Heck I love the passion and you have a valid gripe and you giving your opinion is a good thing, but can't you try and cut out the few words that aren't necessary to get your point across?
No ADA I point out that both sides do it by pointing to the poster child from the party you seem to support. I never excuse away the actions done by the right.
When you talk about the right you talk as if ONLY the right does bad things, I'm adding a bit of balanced reality to the subject.
"When you talk about the right you talk as if ONLY the right does bad things,"
You won't hear me refer to the "right" when all of em are "wrong"!
If by "right" you are referring to the republican party, you need to consider the fact that they are the ones who have been in power for the last 10 years. Keeping that in mind, who would you expect the complaints to be aimed at?
As a guy that grew up and still lives on the south side of Chicago I'd just like to say I agree 100% with what joe is saying.
At first Iliked Obama but as it became more apparent to me that he's a politician just like the rest of them. The whole "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN" thing suddenly became so transparent and such and obvious ploy to suck people in, I saw him for who he was and realized he won't change anything.
Too bad tho, I sure did like when he introduced the Bears on MNF.
People who run for office ARE politicians...so far, to my knowledge, no other name has been given to those who seek elected offices.
So he is a politician, and a MUCH better one than most! Next excuse...cause I'm sure you have lots of 'em.
See, the differnce between Obama and those other politicians is, they aren't claimig to be all about CHANGE. They aren't running on HOPE AND CHANGE. The word CHANGE isn't plastered on every one of their podiums. While they may pander to their constituents, it is not nearly in such an obvious way-sorta like how Hillary started weearing a Yankee cap just before running for NY senate.
Like I said, it's such an obvious ploy, at least to me, I just don't buy into it, especially after almost 8 years of bad government. OF COURSE people are going to want change but only those who just see the color of his skin or those who are simple minded enough-or a combination of the two-are the ones who will fall for it, which seems to be plenty of Americans.
If Obama were 100% white and running the EXACT same campaign, he wouldn't stand a chance against Hillary.
Well Said.
the change is open honest govt
and he has put his ideas into practice by not accepting lobbyist or pac money to fund his presidential run
if obama were white the nomination would be sewn up,hillary has way to much unanswered baggage
and far too many bad votes..on irag,bankrupty bill,patriot act..the list goes on and on
> See, the differnce between Obama and those other politicians is, they aren't claimig to be all about CHANGE. They aren't running on HOPE AND CHANGE.
LMAO!
McCain motto: "change you deserve". Same motto as that anti-depression drug.
McCain claims change, claims integrity, claims military/defense - all of which are a bunch of carp. He`s no different from Bush except he is determined to be worse than Bush if elected.
If the Republican party had found one half decent candidate, McCain never would have made it past last August.
It's like chronic diarrhea for her!
Absolutely correct. I am in Los Angeles and after the Tribune company purchased the Los Angeles Times we all noticed a distinct rightward leaning of the editorial positions. That does indicate if there was anything wrong in that transaction they would have jumped all over it if for no other reason than they are right leaning and he is left leaning on the political scale.
All of this is undue use of exaggeration! As I have posted here several time Obama Chicago rival for the state seat spent 29 million trying to fig just what you speculators are speculating about, she said what she found is perhaps the most above board politicize in the United States. For a little irony she is now his ILL campaign head. Trust me if there were anything there we would have known about it by now, with FOX/Fake News and CNN both going after him they would have plastered it all over the news. For me the satisfaction is when you all realize how wrong you are about this guy.
How many people has the "entire editorial board of the Chicago Tribune" found guilty of anything..how mant people have they put in jail?
If they were able to put anybody in jail they would have put many away. For them to find somebody wrong it doesn't have to be "beyond a reasonable doubt". They can criticize on their personal feelings alone. And they chose not to do that. Their "verdict" was based on facts and answers (not available to Ani or you others)and not on a pre-conceived notion that because he was a Chicago politician he has to be a crook.
They know he is not a Crook. The problem is they are not use to politicians like Obama clean as they come. I haven't investigate Obama but I am sure they have turned over every rock and shrub he has ever walk next to!
What strikes me is how little people reason, this man and his wife both are Harvard lawyers, if they wanted to be crooked can you think of a better field to be part of? Yet they trade that for politics. Do you know how much a Harvard law degree would get you on the open market. People pay you to sit on the board and be part of their law firm just so they can say they have a Harvard grad on their board I have a friend with a law degree from NYU that makes over Million a year, that should answer that question. If Obama was about money he would have made a truck load!
Anybody who has bothered to research for five minutes anything about Obama knows he could have had any federal clerkship for any federal judge or a position at any law firm in the country.
Instead, he chose to be a community activist in Chicago! Not Phoenix, or Florida, or California. Chicago! We have not had a presidential candidate with this much integrity and loyalty in my lifetime.
Oops false pos.
Obama is the cleanest candidate we have had in decades. That`s why all the cons can produce is innuendo and whining.
We`re sick & tired of the character assassination attempts.
Either come up with something real, ATTEMPT to defend McCain, or got off the pot.
Interestingly, Sen. Obama's 429,000-vote margin in Cook County alone is larger than the winning margin of either candidate in any state. The Cook County Crooks are at it again. They'll do anything to further the career of their new favorite son and they will expect reciprocation on his part. America beware!
Aniokly-I hope McCain looks at his record, and calls him on his ethical problems.
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Be careful what you wish for. McCain is the LAST person who should be trying to dig up stones given the glass CASTLE he lives in.
((((All Chicago politician are corrupt.))))
I'm not sure one can make that statement or not, unless it's just an opinion.
ani,
there has never been a more corrupt president and corrupt administration than the Bush admin. And McCain has already shown he is just as bad if not worse than Bush.
* Private property theft for crony profits
* Keating Five
* Adultery to make Bill Clinton blush
* Lobbyist offices on K Street empty because they all working on mcCain`s campaign
* overturned Boeing contract, only to hire the lobbyist for the foreign company that then stole the multi-billion contract and all those jobs away from an American company
When McCain snores, he makes the sound of a dollar bill counting machine.