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  jovial2 months ago

  This is quite simply astounding. I can't imagine any reason to do something like this. This allegation is damning. If it is true then anyone that votes for this guy is a worm.

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    jovial2 months ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g&eurl...

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      questionseverything2 months ago

      looks like more than an allegation to me...that video has 7 or 8 peops all saying same

      this congressional hearing was enough to convience me he is hiding something big time

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CazKanlYDg&NR=1

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    jovial2 months ago

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080623/od_afp/usv...

    McCain's former Vietnamese jailer gives McCain an endorsement.

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      globalwarmer2 months ago

      Maybe it just seemed like torture, ball room dancers don't lie.

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    injest2 months ago

    FTA

    "On June 20, 1996, Senator John McCain allegedly assaulted a family member of a Vietnam War prisoner of war (POW) who was missing in action (MIA), as a group of about 15 family members of POW/MIAs watched in astonishment. Within about one month, five ethics complaints had been filed with the Senate Ethics Committee by five eyewitnesses. But the Senate Ethics Committee refused to investigate the matter."

    "five ethics complaints had been filed with the Senate Ethics Committee"

    Jovial

    "This is quite simply astounding. I can't imagine any reason to do something like this. This allegation is damning. If it is true then anyone that votes for this guy is a worm."

    WOW!, amazing!

    So tell me why did the DNC BEG McCain to switch over to the dems and run on the Dem ticket for president in 2004?

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      jovial2 months ago

      Stick to the story. Don't ask wild questions to bring everyone off topic.

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        injest2 months ago

        "Stick to the story. Don't ask wild questions to bring everyone off topic."

        Blahhhahhaaa ROFLMAO

        So ya can't answer or worse didn't know about 2004!

        Here's some headlines, you can look them up.

        McCain's Resistance Doesn't Stop Talk of Kerry Dream Ticket

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A...

        Saturday, June 12, 2004; Page A01

        Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry has discussed the vice presidency with Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) on several occasions,

        McCain: I'd 'entertain' Democratic VP slot

        Undeterred by McCain Denials, Some See Him as Kerry's No. 2

        By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG and JODI WILGOREN

        Published: May 15, 2004

        McCain Is Said to Tell Kerry He Won't Join

        By DAVID M. HALBFINGER

        Published: June 12, 2004

        Kerry, McCain create buzz

        Web-posted Apr 7, 2004

        WASHINGTON - The game inside the Beltway now focuses on John Kerry's pick of a running mate. The same game rages inside Kerry's campaign headquarters.

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  berkeley2 months ago

  the number of reliable stories about mccain's anger is very large. if he wants to be angry, that's his business.

  but voting for him for president, knowing about his problem, concerns everyone.

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  cowboygrandpa2 months ago

  In all fairness to McCain what he went thru and lived thru is horrific beyond imagination.

  That said. He has no right to treat the families of others who have suffered as much or worse than he did that way.

  His anger is understandable. I have a temper just from being in that stinkin war and I was never a prisoner like him.

  Still we need a cooler head in the Whitehouse than he has.

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    pongping2 months ago

    I personally believe McCain has a lot to hide. The guilt inside him must be tremendous.

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    bigurn2 months ago

    McCain's temper is legendary. He should present himself, and represent Arizona, better. That having been said, most of our recent Presidents were known for their temper. This is a common trait of driven people.

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      jovial2 months ago

      Don't try to blow this story off so casually. There's something big here. McCain is actively trying to supress it. This is much bigger than the Wright controversy. What amazes me is why the media isn't sticking with this story like they did with the Wright story.

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        bigurn2 months ago

        I'm not a good conspiracy theorist, but I'm usually satisfied when an assault gets reported to two separate agencies, and neither presses forward with additional activity. It sounds like both sides got a little heated.

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          jovial2 months ago

          You sir, are looking for a weakness in this story, because you don't want to believe it. You are jumping on the fact that McCain wasn't punished for the assault. In your mind that makes him automatically innocent. When it's your word against a Senator, sometimes it's very hard to prove wrongdoing. A perfect example of this is the difficulty involved in impeaching Clinton. The difficulty involved in indicting Scooter libby and the fact that Richard Armitage got off Scott free. The real story is that McCain tried his best to get that legislation passed and he suceeded. What people should be asking is why. Not jumping on parts of the story that you feel it's easy to shed doubt on.

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  sumptuousdigs2 months ago

  Spot on, cowboygrandpa.

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  Spadecaller2 months ago

  The consensus from both sides of the aisle is that he is stricken with temper tantrums.

  But if this story came out about Obama, it would be all over the news media 24 and 7.

  The media is really going easy on this dipsy doodle.

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  Spadecaller2 months ago

  Double post. I wish I had something else to add to fill in this obnoxious malfunction. Sorry...

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  jordan112 months ago

  This has been addressed before, & as usual the press was silent about it. It just makes no sense, and there's nothing to conclude but that people are trying to hide something. Why? This kind of secrecy is just maddening. Even John Kerry's name pops up in the suppression of information. I completely understand the frustration of families, but I also understand that the frustration could conceivably lead them to postulate the worst about McCain. So unless there is hard evidence, I can't go there. But McCain needs to explain his actions.

  http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0523,schanberg...

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  Poulenc2 months ago

  McCain's volatility is well documented.

  Generally, people with "anger management" problems make iffy leaders, if for no other reason than it becomes that much harder for them to work with others and vice versa.

  There's also the matter of repairing inevitable ruptures, large or small, one instigates with people whom one has "gone off" on.

  What we need now is a president who is POLITIC, a statesman.

  McCain's temper is also a serious problem for his handlers--all he and they would need is an irrational outburst (or even an obvious attempt to control same) during a debate with Obama, say.

  Of course, a certain segment of the population (I'm not naming names) would find such hair-trigger behavior a sign of battle-readiness, and therefore desirable when the enemy-du-jour threatens to come calling.

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    dunkirk2 months ago

    the problem is with a hair-trigger temper there is no shortage of enemy du jour. The part people fail to realize, ESPECIALLY the right, is the next President needs to make working with people an art form. THe current disgrace in teh White House should be proof enough of what happens when that fails and the next president will have an awful log of bridges to mend. Notice we haven't heard about the coaliton of the willing for quite a while.

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    injest2 months ago

    Poulenc

    "McCain's volatility is well documented".

    Really? Where?

    All I hear is vague innuendos like yours with nothing to back them up.

    Please prove me wrong and list this documentation.

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  CRYMTYPHON2 months ago

  Nutz.

  Alleged assault 12 years ago.

  For what reason?

  Were there recordings? The witnesses quoted were all proponents of the legislation he was not supporting. There must have been others present. What did neutral witnesses report? What is McCain's version?

  And why on earth would John McCain, prisoner of war for five years, be against anything in favor of POW's?

  Sorry; this looks like hit-piece stuff. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to reject John McCain; this is distraction.

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    bruhaha2 months ago

    "And why on earth would John McCain, prisoner of war for five years, be against anything in favor of POW's?"

    I believe it's in the record, in the link on Jordan's comment, that he has repeatedly voted against the interests of families of POWs/MIAs. Several veterans organizations have given him ratings in the 20% on his voting record on veterans issues.

    As for the assault, all we have is the word of the people involved, the complaint to the senate ethics committee, and a complaint to the capitol police. No investigation was done so nothing else will be available.

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    jordan112 months ago

    I tend to agree about the 'assault' accusation, but it didn't take much investigation at all to realize there is something very wrong. McCain did single handedly stop legislation that would open up files on POW's/MIA's & hold anyone who lied about them criminally responsible. The House had passed the legislation by a 100% vote. Something is not right.

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      bigurn2 months ago

      The "something" may be the legislation. Does anyone know a link to the specific bill under proposition?

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        jovial2 months ago

        Searching..

        In the meantime look at this.

        http://www.usvetdsp.com/story30.htm

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        jovial2 months ago

        It appears that it was a simple bill. There wasn't any pork attached. McCain made ammendments to the bill that forever sealed the POW records. (because he obviously didn't want his records publicized) He also changed it to release any bureaucrats from being prosecuted for withholding information about POW's.

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        jovial2 months ago

        McCain added pork to the bill so it would be killed on the floor much to the chagrin of even his fellow Republlicans.

        "McCain, infamous for bullying tactics in conference. Last year, he succeeded in gutting the Missing Persons Act because House and Senate committee staff cut a deal at midnight on the last day of the conference, without informing House Military Subcommittee Chairman Bob Dornan (Republican) of California or full Committee Chairman Floyd Spence (Republican) of South Carolina. Dornan responded to the midnight treachery by authoring H.R. 4000 to overturn the McCain Amendment. With (a record) 260 original bi-partisan sponsors, H.R. 4000 passed the House unanimously. However, as a free standing bill it was never brought to the floor in the Senate because McCain attached massive IRS (Income Tax) provisions and Military Depot funding provisions to H.R. 4000, assuring that the Senate could not begin to debate the core issue of accounting for POW/MIAs."

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          jordan112 months ago

          Bizarre. I can't think of any reason in the world he want to hide information on POW's or MIA's unless he were hiding something. He needs to explain why he did this.

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            jovial2 months ago

            That's what I'm saying. This is really fishy. This article may on first glance appear to be smear, but there is more to this than meets the eye.

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              jordan112 months ago

              I've looked and looked and can't find any links to McCain explaining his actions. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but can't find anything that gives sense to his actions.

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                jovial2 months ago

                That's because he doesn't want to talk about it. I see that a lot of propeller members feel the same way. Everything is up for discussion when it comes to other candidates, but this subject is taboo. Many are afraid to question McCain's service to this country in fear of being unpatriotic. Warrantless attacks are wrong, but there's some substance to this. People see it as merely a smear.

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                  jordan112 months ago

                  You're right. People don't want to talk about this. I can't imagine anyone would worry about speaking up against McCain, but then I'm not much into hero worship. And I certainly don't worry about being called 'unpatriotic' by fools. It's unhealthy to hold someone in such high esteem that you can't look at them for who they are, warts and all.

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  CRYMTYPHON2 months ago

  "the word of the people involved, the complaint to the senate ethics committee, and a complaint to the capitol police."

  Assuming the complaints were lodged by the people originaly involved, you dont really have 3 source of information you have 1.

  And if the article says the capital police decided not to press charges, doesn't that mean they did some form of investigation?

  And I repeat: were there neutral witnesses? where is John McCain's version of events?

  I don't want to be supporting McCain, who needs to lose for the good of his country. I just don't want to be in one thread shouting 'unfair! slander!' and in another thread agreeing with anything anyone throws.

  It's tacky.

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    jordan112 months ago

    I thought it was tacky, too. Then I watched the video, and listened. They seemed so frustrated...not about the supposed 'attack,' but about his suppression of information to families. So I looked, and they're right. I'm glad it was put up, or I'd never have known about this. WHY is John McCain on a mission to suppress information about POW's and MIA's? WHY has the the press suppressed this for years? Something's wrong.

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      CRYMTYPHON2 months ago

      Perhaps you are right.

      The man may just be unbalanced, and there is no 'why' to look for in the matter.

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        jordan112 months ago

        I would consider that, if not for the Pentagon sealing those records by order of Nixon in the first place. WHY is McCain challenging all attempts to open them? What is being hidden? The Viet Nam war is over. This has nothing to do with 'national security.' It's not good when the military establishment hides things about men who fought in Nam. I'll say it again. Something is very wrong.

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        dunkirk2 months ago

        There are many rumors about Mccain and what he did while a POW. One reason to block information is to prevent the release of information showing he wasnt so honorable while a captive.

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          jordan112 months ago

          I've heard the rumors, but without evidence won't speculate. And to be honest, I don't expect anyone being tortured not to do what they need to do in order to survive. If the rumors were true, I wouldn't fault McCain at all.

          I want to know what the Pentagon is hiding. They certainly aren't doing it for McCain. Why are those records sealed?

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            jovial2 months ago

            Yes, doing what one must to a point. The allegations by former POW's goes one step further, however, and claims that he went above and beyond to get preferential treatment during his confinement. If that is true, it's absolutely traitorous.

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              jordan112 months ago

              I'll agree with that, jovial. But until there is evidence....well, you already know that. Meanwhile, I want to know what's in the sealed records of our servicemen, & what the Pentagon is hiding.

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        pongping2 months ago

        They said there was a picture of the POW when he was captured. I presume, not necessarily in this case, that McCain knows much more than he has ever admitted publicly about the suffering of others who also were in captivity.

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    jovial2 months ago

    No one is asking you to agree or disagree. The information is out there. Of course it is stated that these charges are alleged, but like what Jordan said, "Why would a former POW be so vehemently against legislation that would seek to help other POW/MIA's get what they considered justice?" I feel this is a legitimate question? On another point, why would a former jailer of a POW endorse McCain and say emphatically that he was never tortured?

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      CRYMTYPHON2 months ago

      "No one is asking you to agree or disagree".

      Hmm. Ok.

      Then I point out that no one asked you to agree or disagree with me agreeing or disagreeing, and its downhill to hell from there.

      I can't imagine either, why the former jailer of a POW would emphaticly deny that there had been any torturing*.

      Life is mysterious.

      __________...

      * yes I can

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        jovial2 months ago

        CRYM,

        I know what your point is. I haven't overlooked it. When submitting this story, I really had to consider whether it wasn't a "gossip rag" type of story. I decided that it does raise some legitimate questions. Can all the questions raised be proven? Probably not. I just think it is suspicious that a wife of an Army colonel would slander a former POW Presidential candidate on general principles. I find it weird that with overwhelming bipartisan support on legislation to release these records, McCain would battle so hard to fight it. These are some of the main questions raised by this story. It can't compare to stories like, "Obama supporters spread grafitti" or "McCain had an affair".

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      jovial2 months ago

      Here's the court document that Carol Hrdlicka filed in court to release the classified documents.

      http://www.greasyonline.com/article54.html

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      jovial2 months ago

      Here's her testimony before the committee.

      http://www.aiipowmia.com/testimony/hrdlicka294....

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  jovial2 months ago

  Another interesting tidbit. The wife of John McCain has made many visits to Vietnam. Even as recently as a week ago.

  http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/...

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    jordan112 months ago

    Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

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      pongping2 months ago

      Do you remember Sergeant Schultz on Hogan's Heroes?

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      jovial2 months ago

      Yep.

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